[NCUC-DISCUSS] [Meeting Report] PIR Advisory Council

[Martin Pablo Silva Valent]

Joly, I have arguments for both sides. Being a lawyer I am more use to do
the distinction myself.

Rafik, yeap, I was referring to that. It's been a hot topic for a while and
it won't go away anytime soon. PIR should be the last place to see that
implemented, that makes it specially weird.

Any how, count with me.

Cheers,
Martin

On 11 Oct 2017 21:57, "Joly MacFie" <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:

Martin Pablo Silva Valent
​ wrote:​


> ​​
> 2) As case study: NPOC tried to register a .NGO a while back, and it was
> denied because NPOC didn’t had separate personality from ICANN, it was an
> non-commercial legal entity itself. Regardless of the special case, I think
> is important to understand the role .ngo has in the DNS ecosystem,
> thousands of NGO or non-commercial organization are still going to .org
> because of this restriction. PIR position on this asumes that
> non-commercial civil society organization all have to look like the ideal
> US/europe NGO with an approved state non commercial charter. Personally I
> think this inflexible approach leaves a worldwide civil society community
> of organization out in the open on the DNS, instead of granting ll the
> benefits .ngo could give.


​I guess this is a matter of opinion. To my way of thinking it is valuable
to have this distinction.

​j



On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <
mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:

> Farzi,
> I have two comments for next round to chew on.
> 1) I heard PIR almost implemented a alternative, additional, mechanism to
> protect rights (IP right) beyond the classic UDPR, we should be involved in
> that, if true, to stop any over reaching IP right mechanism.
> 2) As case study: NPOC tried to register a .NGO a while back, and it was
> denied because NPOC didn’t had separate personality from ICANN, it was an
> non-commercial legal entity itself. Regardless of the special case, I think
> is important to understand the role .ngo has in the DNS ecosystem,
> thousands of NGO or non-commercial organization are still going to .org
> because of this restriction. PIR position on this asumes that
> non-commercial civil society organization all have to look like the ideal
> US/europe NGO with an approved state non commercial charter. Personally I
> think this inflexible approach leaves a worldwide civil society community
> of organization out in the open on the DNS, instead of granting ll the
> benefits .ngo could give.
>
> Food for thoughts!
>
> If you want me to going the work related to this AC let me know, I would
> love to.
>
> Cheers all!
> Martín Silva
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 7:16 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Here is my brief note of PIR meeting. Please note that some aspects of
> the meeting were confidential so I cannot report on them. PIR is the
> registry for .org and .NGO and NCUC get to appoint an AC member to
> represent NCUC.
>
> Here is the brief:
>
> - The advisory council role was discussed. It was agreed that the AC has
> to have an active role and provide recommendations on various issues
> related  to PIR
>
> - I emphasized on stronger and enhanced communication between Staff, Board
> and Advisory Council.
>
> - We raised the issue of GDPR and I relayed Ayden's questions. PIR will
> come up with a plan to comply with GDPR. PIR is also active in the RDS
> group. Staff advised us that they are open to suggestions and
> recommendations with this regard.
>
> - PIR discussed its abuse and take down policy. It emphasized that its
> abuse and take down policy is predominantly technical unless there are
> obvious child abuse websites which will be taken down.
>
> - SCADR is shelved But they want to have a dialogue about it and they want
> to know how to re-open the issue in the future if they need to. My
> impression is that the issue is closed for the moment and they are asking
> the AC to advise them on how to seek public consultation on any policy
> issue.
>
> - Since AC was advised about SCADR very late, we raised the point that
> this should not have happened and in the future, there should be more
> briefing of AC. Fortunately, there is now a Board liaison to AC and I also
> asked if we could be observers of the Board meetings.
>
>
> - The meeting also focused on .NGO and how to encourage more domain
> registration in .NGO. Here is the PIR toolkit  for NGOs
> http://toolkit.ngo/
>
>
> Best
> Farzaneh
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