[NCUC-DISCUSS] Fellowship Program
thomascovenant
thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
Wed Nov 8 21:10:08 CET 2017
Hi Martin,
you are free to start a new mail thread with specific points you want
to address.
Metrics, success, process etc. of the program you mention are indeed out
of scope of this discussion - reviewing the program by NCUC also wasn't
suggested at any point.
BR,
thomas
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On 08.11.2017 21:31, Martin Pablo Silva Valent wrote:
> Ayden,
> I am stating that this could be part of broader work, since Dina’s
> concern is not personal, but affects many. So, of course we will all
> help Dina to address this issue on her own right as she desires to, but
> as a community, I am proposing to open a broader group to work this and
> other issues in a coordinated and informed manner.
>
> Therefore, I encourage that, if anyone has doubts or concerns on this
> program, we can start another email discussion and continue there to
> work together. We can do questionnaire, gather data and draft our
> points. Like we do with any other issue.
>
> cheers,
> Martin
>
>
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Martín,
>>
>> I would respectfully suggest that we limit our conversation for now to
>> the privacy issue that Dina has raised in relation to the fellowship
>> programme. We can discuss other, broader issues with the fellowship
>> programme too, but maybe off-list or at least under a different
>> subject line. Personally, I have enough concerns with the programme to
>> fill two books — however for now I think it is more productive that we
>> focus our efforts on this very legitimate issue that Dina has raised?
>> And to that end, Dina, if you decide to send your concerns through to
>> ICANN's Chief Data Protection Officer and I can help in any way,
>> please do reach out to me.
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program
>>> Local Time: 8 November 2017 7:13 PM
>>> UTC Time: 8 November 2017 19:13
>>> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>
>>> To: Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com <mailto:alfamamadou at hotmail.com>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>,
>>> NCUC Discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>> <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
>>>
>>> Mamadou,
>>> For the last couple of month I’ve participated in many conversations
>>> were people wanted to know more about the metrics and process of the
>>> Fellowship. Some had doubts or concerns, like the Privacy issue Dina
>>> brought up. Instead of improvising here and there we could organize
>>> information for those who want to look at it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martín
>>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com
>>>> <mailto:alfamamadou at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Martin
>>>> I'm alumni of the fellowship programme but I did not know/aware of
>>>> those concerns you raised. Can you be more clear?
>>>> Mamadou
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Message d'origine --------
>>>> De : Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>>
>>>> Date : 08/11/2017 18:57 (GMT+00:00)
>>>> À : Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>> Cc : NCUC Discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>> <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
>>>> Objet : Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program
>>>>
>>>> Concerns on different issues around the fellowship have raised among
>>>> the community, Privacy is only one of those. This is an attempt to
>>>> create and effective action toward those concerns, privacy included.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty straight forward!
>>>>
>>>> Martín
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, Martin, but I am confused. How does any of this relate
>>>>> to the original point that Dina raised, which was the lack of
>>>>> awareness among ICANN staff re: privacy? Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program
>>>>>> Local Time: 8 November 2017 4:28 PM
>>>>>> UTC Time: 8 November 2017 16:28
>>>>>> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> NCUC Discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>>>> <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>> In the hope of helping addressing this concerns, I’ve gathered a
>>>>>> few links of material on the fellowship already public. I
>>>>>> understand they are updating some things, like the privacy
>>>>>> provision in the Terms and web stuff.
>>>>>> Some metrics of the last 10 yeas can be found in the 2017 survey
>>>>>> report as well. And I am confident that we could gather a
>>>>>> questioner for the staff to answer, and eventually a letter of
>>>>>> recommendations or comments. This could help level the information
>>>>>> and clarify doubts, a good way to structure the issue and put
>>>>>> forward an concrete action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fellowship main page: https://www.icann.org/fellowshipprogram
>>>>>> <https://www.icann.org/fellowshipprogram>
>>>>>> Terms:
>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/terms-conditions-2012-02-25-en
>>>>>> <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/terms-conditions-2012-02-25-en>
>>>>>> Selection criteria:
>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-applicant-criteria-2016-09-08-en
>>>>>> <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-applicant-criteria-2016-09-08-en>
>>>>>> Selection Committee:
>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/committee-2012-02-25-en
>>>>>> <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/committee-2012-02-25-en>
>>>>>> FAQs:
>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-faqs-2015-07-10-en <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-faqs-2015-07-10-en>
>>>>>> 10 yeas survey report:
>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-fellowship-program-10-year-survey-dprd-28jun17-en.pdf
>>>>>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-fellowship-program-10-year-survey-dprd-28jun17-en.pdf>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other part also might have some relevant data (you need to dive in
>>>>>> a little to grasp the numbers):
>>>>>> Financial
>>>>>> reports: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/current-en
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There were some blog post as well:
>>>>>> Part
>>>>>> 1: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-part-one-of-a-four-part-blog-series
>>>>>> Part 2: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit
>>>>>> Part 3: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-en
>>>>>> Part
>>>>>> 4: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-0edb9f60-6898-4121-a0e3-5865c9a4106d
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ve seen many times around that a lot of the concerns on the
>>>>>> fellowship are actually misinformation, weather the facts are not
>>>>>> known or are wrong. And is very easy to build on those mistakes or
>>>>>> half/trues to later find out the whole analysis has to be rebuilt,
>>>>>> or becomes and ineffective action. So I would suggest we first try
>>>>>> to scope the data on this, level our concepts so we can define
>>>>>> concerns and eventually give an opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance, in evaluating the merit of the program we have to
>>>>>> understand the initial goal, there is no use in assuming or
>>>>>> improvising the goal of the program, is written and when measuring
>>>>>> the success we should go back to it. We can also discuss if the
>>>>>> current goal, met or not and by how much, is the goal we think is
>>>>>> best. Again, flying ideas without actually going through this
>>>>>> process are not helpful. "Scaling back the program", something
>>>>>> I’ve heard a lot and personally might even agree, is a valid idea,
>>>>>> but we should only recommend it if we fully understand the whole
>>>>>> data and concepts, not just because we “feel” it, we have a strong
>>>>>> intuition or it seems reasonable given what we know from other stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I volunteer to lead a group to review fellowship and other
>>>>>> onboarding/outreach/capacity building programs, if that’s what
>>>>>> NCUC/NCSG members are interested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers to all,
>>>>>> Martin Silva
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another interesting document to read is from a few years ago when
>>>>>>> they asked for community feedback and they did a comparison to
>>>>>>> other fellowship program
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure where it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to the privacy stuff. I assume Siranush is still getting used
>>>>>>> to the job and and she will work out these issues in due time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> G
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>> NARALO Secretariat
>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> skype gmcknight
>>>>>>> twitter gmcknight
>>>>>>> 289-830 6259
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Chenai Chair <chrche001 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:chrche001 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Glenn! super useful to read this and reflect on the
>>>>>>> fellowship process
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the Fellowship survey I converted to a Ebook
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://online.fliphtml5.com/gnel/jjgd/
>>>>>>> <http://online.fliphtml5.com/gnel/jjgd/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> G
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>> NARALO Secretariat
>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> skype gmcknight
>>>>>>> twitter gmcknight
>>>>>>> 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Shreedeep Rayamajhi
>>>>>>> <rayamajhishreedeep at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:rayamajhishreedeep at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think there should be some level of privacy to be
>>>>>>> attained in regards while handling personal
>>>>>>> information. People do give their information with
>>>>>>> trust and it should be handled with care in terms of
>>>>>>> the after the purposes is finished. It should be the
>>>>>>> responsibility of the receiver to assure there is no
>>>>>>> unauthorized use of the information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> May be a process has to be initiated that after the
>>>>>>> completion of the purpose the information is stopped
>>>>>>> from passing on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Shreedeep Rayamajhi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2017 5:41 PM, "thomascovenant"
>>>>>>> <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > And I have noted programmes, such as the global
>>>>>>> indigenous ambassador
>>>>>>> > programme, have their application form on a
>>>>>>> Google Form
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - You are correct. I have just joined the
>>>>>>> Indigenous Program and we will
>>>>>>> address this by the next application round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 on other points made
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great meeting you in person during ICANN60,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08.11.2017 11:02, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>>> > I think it is reasonable to say that ICANN, as
>>>>>>> an organisation, has no
>>>>>>> > awareness of privacy or why it is important.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Indeed, the recently appointed Chief Data
>>>>>>> Protection Officer has no
>>>>>>> > background in privacy or data protection.
>>>>>>> (Seriously.)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > And I have noted programmes, such as the global
>>>>>>> indigenous ambassador
>>>>>>> > programme, have their application form on a
>>>>>>> Google Form where one can
>>>>>>> > even read all of the candidate's applications,
>>>>>>> including the candidate's
>>>>>>> > address, if they so desire.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > None of this is acceptable Dina, and I would
>>>>>>> encourage you to write to
>>>>>>> > the CDPO, Daniel Halloran, to document this
>>>>>>> incident.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > We will have more recourses at our disposal
>>>>>>> from next May when
>>>>>>> > enforcement of GDPR is in effect to take this
>>>>>>> complaint further, but for
>>>>>>> > now, it is important we can show that we have
>>>>>>> been repeatedly making
>>>>>>> > ICANN the organisation aware of its failure to
>>>>>>> protect the personal data
>>>>>>> > that it collects and retains.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > —Ayden
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues
>>>>>>> within Fellowship Program
>>>>>>> >> Local Time: 8 November 2017 8:25 AM
>>>>>>> >> UTC Time: 8 November 2017 08:25
>>>>>>> >> From: raquino at gmail.com <mailto:raquino at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >> To: NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Hi
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> The leakage of private information is indeed
>>>>>>> an issue.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I was in an associated program w/ the
>>>>>>> Fellowship this time so did not
>>>>>>> >> get the email that Dina mentioned.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I remember in previous editions of Fellowship
>>>>>>> program, I discussed
>>>>>>> >> basic privacy configurations - like telling
>>>>>>> people how to protect an
>>>>>>> >> online Google Spreadsheet. So there is a lack
>>>>>>> also of staff, tools and
>>>>>>> >> other provisions to protect managing fellows'
>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I think we need to go via an educational route
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> This is an international group, fastly
>>>>>>> organized and disorganized and
>>>>>>> >> it may as well be that fellows have their own
>>>>>>> data gathering
>>>>>>> >> initiatives for social purposes or whatever.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> The idea of a workshop or a discussion about
>>>>>>> privacy sounds like a
>>>>>>> >> good route.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Renata
>>>>>>> >>
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