[NCUC-DISCUSS] Recording and Attendance: NCUC Joburg Outreach Planning Call 02 May 2017

[Arsène Tungali]

+1
we need to get everyone speaking and listening :-)

------------------------
**Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
<http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
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(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
& Mexico
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
<http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles
<https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en> & Marrakech
<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/marrakech55-attendees-2016-03-14-en>
). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius
<http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*
- *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
Freedom.

Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
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2017-05-05 12:08 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Thanks for sharing your thoughts here, Arsene (sorry I cannot get an
> accent to appear on your name on this keyboard). I did mention ISOC's
> collaborative leadership exchange on the call, and think it is a great
> model for us to learn from. I suggested that we borrow elements from it
> like the agenda hacking and other interactive components, because no one
> wants to be seated in a lecture hall for two days straight... we need to
> get everyone speaking and listening :-)
>
> - Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Recording and Attendance: NCUC Joburg Outreach
> Planning Call 02 May 2017
> Local Time: May 5, 2017 10:34 AM
> UTC Time: May 5, 2017 9:34 AM
> From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com
> To: Yolanda Mlonzi <mamiyaomhle at gmail.com>
> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am really sorry I was not able to join this important call. But just
> took some time to read the chat.
> I noted a couple very important points/elements that we should consider as
> we get ready for this outreach event. I am planning to be there and willing
> to support.
>
> For an outreach event, apart from making sure we mostly speak NCUC and our
> work (to use our ressources the most), we should also take time to hear
> from some members about their experiences and benefit they gained from
> being NCUC members. Such testimonies attract attention and can help people
> who wanna join understand the NCUC in a practical way. Of course when
> presenting the NCUC, we will need to state what make us different from
> other groups.
>
> I had a quick look at the google doc and would encourage the role play if
> we have a good moderator to run it on Second day. As someone mentionned,
> role plays help people understand more an issue than hearing from a panel.
> When you practice something, you feel more connected to it. That's my way
> of seing things.
>
> Someone mentionned the ISOC's collaborative leadership exchange, I believe
> that was Ayden. I always enjoy it and will never miss that day-long session
> when attending the IGF. When the conductor is doing it well, you feel
> connected to the topics he is helping you discuss. I believe if we have
> someone in the NCUC who can lead this, this will be fantastic. This can be
> merged with the role play session or the latter can be added during this
> type of session.
>
> Lastly, for newcomers part of the Fellowship program, since this is a
> Policy meeting, there won't be those morning sessions as usual where they
> get the opportunity to hear from all AC/SO representatives to make their
> minds on which one to join. An all day session for them is scheduled on
> Sunday and that will be all for them. Just wanted to point this out, maybe
> important to know.
> NCUC should have a well planned outreach meeting, well advertised to
> attract new members to join.
>
> ------------------------
> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
> <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
> Tel: +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
> GPG: 523644A0
> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*
> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
> & Mexico
> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
> - AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
> <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles
> <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en> & Marrakech
> <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/marrakech55-attendees-2016-03-14-en>
> ). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius
> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>
> )* - *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance -
> Internet Freedom.
>
> Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>
> 2017-05-04 15:28 GMT+02:00 Yolanda Mlonzi <mamiyaomhle at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Maryam and all,
>>
>> Thanks to all of you who participated in this meeting and the draft
>> agenda looks great.
>>
>> I love the policy practice suggestion, from my experience with the
>> African School on Internet Governance (AfriSIG) this session is always a
>> fan favourite! Also a great way for participants and newcomers to
>> familiarise themselves with key policy issues & how  processes play out.
>>
>> Excited to attend.
>>
>> Yolanda.
>>
>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please find below attendance and recording of the NCUC Johannesburg
>>> Outreach Planning Call, of 02 May 2017.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Attendance*: Ayden Ferdeline, Bruna Santos, Farzaneh Badii,
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro, Tapani Tarvainen, Thato Mfikwe, Stephanie Perrin,
>>> Tatiana Tropina, Ines Hfaiedh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *AC Recording URL*: https://participate.icann.org/p4m8vxbqans/
>>> <https://participate.icann.org/p4m8vxbqans/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=d2528454b9e1fc78ef23605c6bb09a127bae02b9f04f3574b80fb1eee75451b3>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *AC Chat:*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: hi all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome to the NCUC Outreach Planning call
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: welcome Ayden & Bruna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: Hello, Maryan and Ayden!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Farzi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: Thanks Maryam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: Here is the program we will work on
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/docume
>>> nt/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: I was hoping that we get some participants from Africa
>>> to discuss how we should approach topics
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: Maryam we wait a bit for Thato
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: he said he could make it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: Ok great, thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: i'll send a quick message to Stephanie to see if she is
>>> online
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: i can hear Maryam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Hi there
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think you have to count w/ folks coming a bit
>>> late
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: it's university, it's far
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Renata
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Thanks Maryam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: should I reach out to the whatsapp people for
>>> this meeting? Nadira?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which bullet? can't scroll
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ah sorry in my face :(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: So an outline - local experts (academia),
>>> regional CSOs (APC + partners), local partners (zadna + thato's references)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: oh that's interesting. for privacy that would be perfect
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: GJM, Lucien Pierce, Sizne Snall ka Mutze
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: UNISA one of the them
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Bruna, I think we need to find out who the major
>>> organization there is but I don't think CGI can help us. Maybe Lusnic can
>>> send in someone from Angola
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tapani Tarvainen: Apologies for joining late.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: Yes, @renata
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Hi Tapani
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Tapani & Thato
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Sizwe apparently is a BRICS cyberlaw scholar,
>>> quite interesting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: they're all the names that Claudio mentioned to us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which is the doc address again?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/docume
>>> nt/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks Farzi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think would be good to have at least 1 regional
>>> speaker in any roundtable
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: at least as moderator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Stephanie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Sorry to be late, my email has been down at the
>>> university since Friday, so I am missing a lot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: internet shutdowns, taking from AFRINIC policy directives and
>>> role of non commercial constituency role are proposed prog items
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: indeed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: super
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: Agreed! would be amazing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think it is something we can do in the end of
>>> the day
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: I think confusion would arise, unfortunately.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: a general debate about how things interconnect
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: Cant hear clearly connectivity problem on my side.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ICANN doesnt do that but its important to deal w/
>>> human rights issues in domain name policy too
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i think that would be a good message
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: true
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: I think we need to keep the message simple, and focus
>>> on what we want out of the participants, i.e. where do you we want people
>>> volunteering in our activities?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: As much info be specific as possible it also needs relevance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: A setting the scene would be good
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yes agree on thato
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: That would be great, and I agree we need an MC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: Sorry we dont have one on this call!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: I mean dial out
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: wanted clarity on what I need to do. The venue has been booked.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: Thato there is a mic button on the main Tab(s)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: if you press that button it should connect your audio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Short day Friday for those of us flying in/...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: Full day on Saturday and short day on Friday.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: I dont know about you youngsters, but I am going to
>>> need a nap
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: For local participants, I think Friday is a business
>>> day so they might be able to get out of the office or classroom, whereas
>>> Saturday is taking up their weekend....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Lets get them used to ICANN
>>> participation.....weekends, what are weekends??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: C'mon stephanie, you're way more energetic than us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: You are all very sweet, but I can assure you after 26
>>> hours economy I am going to look like death warmed over.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i agree local participants ditching work to go to
>>> our outreach would prefer an all day
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: As long as we have refreshments and keep the prog interesting,
>>> especially on Friday we will get sufficient support
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: I think we need to get our mentee, buddying system
>>> working better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tapani Tarvainen: South African wines are very good. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: very good point Tapani ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Maybe we could spend some time asking them what kind
>>> of help they would appreciate to get going, ask about comparable
>>> experiences
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: I am happy to talk about privacy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: which part?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: i am happy to talk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: and council if there are no other councillors rrrre
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: there
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/docume
>>> nt/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: yes. positive, upbeat, exciting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: I saw my name as a speaker on the draft google doc, will it be
>>> around my experience in NCUC, position of local chapter or what? Second day
>>> would be good with panel discussions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: I am very new to NCUC, but i'd be glad to participate!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ok tks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: when would be the lightning talks?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: no you are right
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Hi all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Sorry - I was at the jurisdiction meeting. Happy it
>>> ended early and I can join
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Ah ok clearer now
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Highly agree
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I like the anecdote too
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Hi TT!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I can also work on a visual of our members
>>> accomplishments, the Internet Freedom Forum twitter coverage by Benjamin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: NCUC workshops in IGF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: WSIS and other images
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: @renata maybe a map of events that NCUC has participated
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: Regarding ZADNA they have been very busy but they agreed that
>>> they will be participating in the outreach. With the intro of DotAfrica
>>> they will pull crowds. sorry to take you back.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: A map should be quite impressive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Maybe it is a question that anriette can help us
>>> with....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: agree a map would be super cool
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: brasilia will be in the center of the world as
>>> always haha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: I can help you guys with that!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Renata :D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: ok!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: I think we need to be really clear that content and
>>> bandwidth are things we cannot help with.....drawing the line between free
>>> expression and content control is a delicate operation, and I do think we
>>> should try to explain that in the context of ICANN's role.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: we have quite a few in Europe - so I can help :P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i love maps and their subjectivities
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Yes I am.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Sorry I was at Jurisdiction call farz, as agreed but
>>> joined right after it ended
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: Students who in tye law, media and communication desciplines.
>>> mainly civic society and includinguthe AFRISIG class. I can hear everything.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: I think we can appeal to two thngs: personal achievemnt
>>> (what they gain for themselves/experience) and higher goals - civil society
>>> interests, etc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: I loathe to ask them because I think they are not
>>> strictly civil society, but if necessary, I can ask my contacts at the Web
>>> Foundation or the Alliance for Affordable Internet to either come to our
>>> session or to help us attract speakers. Many of their staff are in South
>>> Africa.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: But if we find ourselves needing more attendees at the
>>> last-minute I can reach out, and suspect they will be helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: oanApologies for typos: activits and we will be engaging acsis, a
>>> pan african civic organisation and other human rights organisations and
>>> lawyers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: Onica, I will add her
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: http://webfoundation.org/about
>>> /executive-team/onica-makwakwa/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: she is an NCUC member
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: Agree with Renata
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: yes, Renata!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I think we can say that the grants they seek are
>>> of themes close to NCUC's work
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I am adding that to the doc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: I think there is not a common African definition; how
>>> privacy is conceived in SOuth Africa is very different from, say, in Egypt
>>> or Tanzania.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh Badii: https://docs.google.com/docume
>>> nt/d/1LNOhU4aA8nADssrwKG-x8_7nHGRjn6rdMpCS99aOaPU/edit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: I love the idea of the role play
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ines Hfaiedh: Good morning everyone. I just had a break now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Ines
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ines Hfaiedh: role play seems nice
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: I like the role play as well !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Role play is always is great idea
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: I think it is really important that the audience
>>> participates, not just listening to talking heads
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: We add one more experienced member to each group of
>>> role play participants
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Well I did several in my life and yes it does need lots
>>> of dedication
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: happy to help in preparation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: We need to seed the participants with some keen folks
>>> who do it well.....Renata, how many of your folks from Copenhagnen will be
>>> there, they were keen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: for teh start: better to make it very focused and with
>>> a *very* defined question unless you have a several days to play. The
>>> clearer the better
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: I think we need a registrar.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Greg would be good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Steve too
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: they might poison the views of our participants
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Farz LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ines Hfaiedh: lol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: haha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: My battery dying, will reconnect soon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: That is my fear, we need a registrrr to keep them
>>> honest.  INvite michele, we can have a real argument
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: we can speak to their ideas as well, but also provide
>>> rebuttals to some of their arguments
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Woalking in someone's shoes allows people to better
>>> defend themselves in the future (that's basically the main idea of any role
>>> play)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: NCPC will be represented by Bruna Stephanie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: They are keen, should be a baptism of fire see if
>>> they stay as inspired as in copenhagen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: 90 minutes is reasonable
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: two hours at least.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: 2h
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: It would be good if our experts could mentor the folks
>>> playing their role eg Shatan mentors the IP person, Michele the registrar,
>>> me or Ayden the privacy advocate......we need a real turkey to mentor the
>>> private secto  law enforcement
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: 90 min is not really enough for role play
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: 90 minutes, short break, then another 30 minutes?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ines Hfaiedh: 90 min is fine so that the audience doesnt become passive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i am not a fan of role play so should sit out
>>> here though
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: but i think it could work
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: Omg NCPC is smth that will follow me forever! But Im one
>>> of the new and I'll be in Joburg!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: it usually take some time for peope to adjust (from my
>>> experience)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: has anyone else participated in ISOC's collaborative
>>> leadership exchange?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: well unless you make them all just individual players -
>>> because if there are stakeholder groups you have to give people time to
>>> work in groups as well
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Ayden, I didn't... I led and helped with several role
>>> plays in the past couple of years and they always took longer as planned
>>> even with strict time management
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: so I'd rather gave it two hours. And yes, last year I
>>> led one in Meissen together with Avri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: break yes :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: agree that break works very well
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yes break to breathe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: break!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: Normally breaks allow to finalise the positions and
>>> discuss
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i think the lightning talks dont really need
>>> break, folks can go talking as much as in time permits, open space, like a
>>> mad group town square
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Well it will be important to say afterwards, now
>>> forget everything Shatan said,......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tapani Tarvainen: Ceterum censeo Shatan obliviscata est.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Tapani taking too seriously a multilingual
>>> internet :D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ines Hfaiedh: we did something similar at the Leadership Program prior
>>> to icann 58
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i like the agenda hacking bit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ines Hfaiedh: thank you Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: we could do that on the lightning talks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: sure, will bullet point. but it does need a strong MC!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Yes I think agenda hacknng is a great idea
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: agenda hacking and getting people to stand up - no one
>>> wants to sit for 2 days
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: not a fan of standing up
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: but yes, many folks are doing it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: at least, give a good reason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: doesn't have to be standing up for long, i am thinking
>>> just for 30 minutes for the welcome, and pre-lunch debrief
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: Having other stakeholders would be nice for providing a
>>> broad view on Icann, but we could end up becoming an outreach for them! I
>>> find it important, but as everyone said: we have to put some thought into
>>> it!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: you also can't be sure that Greg and other will
>>> actually be there on the day of outreach
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: I appreciate that people do have affiliations across
>>> stakeholder groups, but I see this session as an NCUC recruiting event. I
>>> think we should be focused on what the NCUC is looking to get out of this
>>> session. We are spending $7,000 of our resources here; what is the return
>>> we want?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: Also like the Agenda Hacking moment - maybe NCUC guiding
>>> people through what would be the important meetings to us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: Agenda hacking requires a strong MC to lead and to
>>> readjust everything on the fly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: That's an interesting point Ayden - for me it was
>>> always important to know that there are also interesting peopl on the
>>> "other side"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i also like the "other side", "other ppl". Not
>>> having them there just would raise my curiosity
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: sounds good
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: can we not get ICANN to cough up a cocktail?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks this was very productive, we advanced a lot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: yet there is a lot to do :D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tatiana Tropina: thank Farzy and thanks a lot all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ines Hfaiedh: 2 role plays of 3 hours each with a lunch break in between
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: would be good Stephanie since those universities
>>> folks are amazing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: just got back
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ines Hfaiedh: thanks Farzaneh and everyone :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Let ee know if you need someone to recruit a GAC rep,
>>> I could ask my Canadian colleagues....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: Okay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: I agree
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Ok will see if I can get someone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: GAC also raises curiosity always
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: Thanks everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Aquino Ribeiro: tks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: thanks all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline: bye
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruna Santos: bye
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thato: yes we can get additional space if required. thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi: Thank you all for attending, this meeting is ended.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin: Thanks Farzi, great job chairing!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tapani Tarvainen: bye all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Maryam Bakoshi
>>>
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