[NCUC-DISCUSS] Cross Community Discussion/ Geographic Names at the Top Level Session II
Bruna Santos
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
Thu Jun 29 17:49:33 CEST 2017
Clearly not all ccTLDs are necessarily governments, but one of the most
important concerns in the present discussion is regarding whether or not
these domain names should be located in the ccTLD silo or not and it's
implications to the applicants.
I'd be most definitely willing to help on an eventual NCUC wg on that!
Best,
Bruna
Em 29 de jun de 2017 3:48 PM, "Flávio Rech Wagner" <flavio at inf.ufrgs.br>
escreveu:
+1 to Niels on his comment regarding ccTLDs.
I would add that, on average (although this is of course not an absolute,
general rule, and there are exceptions), ccTLD operators may be more
inclined to have greater commitment to the public interest than gTLD ones,
for instance considering aspects of local contents and local development,
because of its (on average, again) closer attachment to the respective
countries and people. And this should be of high relevance to NCUC.
Please notice that only 20% of the ccTLD operators are government-related,
30% are private companies, 38% are civil society organizations of various
types and 12% are part of an academic entity. See detailed statistics at
https://la51.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-ccnso-members/present
ation-cctlds-national-legislation-15oct14-en
Best,
Flavio
Em 29/06/2017 09:59, Niels ten Oever escreveu:
> Do we think this is a bad thing per se?
>
> Maybe ccTLDs are better at building TLDs than the ppl in the gTLD space,
> especially if you look at the outcomes of the last gTLD round (largely
> spam and defensive registration).
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
> On 06/29/2017 02:34 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> This is about procedures for new gtlds and does not affect the already
>> existing ones.
>>
>> The issue is some in GAC and CCNSO want to claim any name that is
>> remotely related to the sovereign. The danger is that, they can claim
>> some generic names too that happen to relate to a sovereign. If they are
>> delegated the names, they will have whatever rule the sovereign wants
>> for domain registration. It is certainly a landgrab. The plan is to grab
>> as much as they can from gTLD space and move it to ccTLD space.
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Niels ten Oever
>> <lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I liked the presentation of Jaap Akkerhuis when he presented to the
>> GAC
>> about this issue. The ISO list has a clear hierarchy, but this is not
>> present in the DNS. There is a Berlin in Wisconsin, Idaho, Ohio, New
>> Jersey, Maryland and Germany. Who should get it?
>>
>> And what happens to already allocated geonames such as .amsterdam,
>> .berlin, .friesland, etc?
>>
>> The GAC has no model to solve this whatsoever, so am not so clear
>> what
>> they are pushing for. Or do they want to offer priority in the
>> auction
>> process to geographies? I would not necessarily be against that. Or
>> did
>> I miss something?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Niels
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/29/2017 01:49 PM, hfaiedh ines wrote:
>> > We are currently attending the session. If you have any opinions or
>> > questions you would like me to transmit please don't hesitate.
>> >
>> > On Jun 29, 2017 11:05, "Farell Folly" <farellfolly at gmail.com
>> <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com>>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Farzaneh,
>> >
>> > You are totally right.. I attended the 1st meeting few days
>> ago and
>> > I will attend the one of the afternoon. Discussions are very
>> > serious. I would like to work on that.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > @__f_f__
>> >
>> > Computer Security | Internet of Things
>> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
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>> >
>> > Le 29 juin 2017 10:21, "farzaneh badii" <
>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>> a écrit :
>> >
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > I think as the noncommercial group we have not paid enough
>> > attention to the issue of Geographic names at the top
>> level.By
>> > claiming sovereignty over Geo names, governments will
>> claim the
>> > Geo names. If we do not wake up and get active, we will
>> not be
>> > able to rescue the generic names that happen to be Geo
>> names as
>> > well.
>> >
>> >
>> > Today there will be a cross-community session and they will
>> > discuss various important issues but some of the questions
>> are
>> > important and I recommend NCUC members attend the session.
>> I
>> > have attached the agenda and some of the questions that
>> will be
>> > addressed are copied below:
>> >
>> > 17:00 Key Geo Names Issues to Address in the PDP
>> >
>> > 1. What makes a string a “geographic name”?
>> >
>> > 2. When can a geographic name:
>> >
>> > ● Be applied for;
>> >
>> > ● Be delegated to a particular applicant?
>> >
>> > 3. If there are simultaneous applications for a geographic
>> name,
>> > how should this be
>> >
>> > resolved?
>> >
>> > 4. How could “geographic use” be distinguished from
>> “generic use”?
>> >
>> > 5. How can commitments to restrict a TLD to non-geographic
>> use
>> > be monitored and enforced?
>> >
>> > Best
>> >
>> >
>> > Farzaneh
>> >
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