[NCUC-DISCUSS] email in response to ICANN blogpost
farzaneh badii
farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
Wed Jun 28 18:55:10 CEST 2017
Thanks for this discussion. This was a very urgent matter, we had to send
the statement so that it gets resolved quickly. This is not a public
statement.
In the meantime, if there are dissenting views or you have comments on the
statement, please make them quickly so that we issue the public statement
if we have to.
It was not an authoritative decision by EC to send this email, various
comments were made which were addressed and resolved about this matter.
NCUC EC customarily can draft, endorse statements and public comments.
Farzaneh
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
wrote:
> For avoidance of doubt as earlier raised, I absolutely agree with the
> "content" concern raised by farelle but like I said it's not what the NCUC
> statement is emphasising.
>
> @Niel the same reason why we cannot measure good or bad is the reason why
> we should not ask for removal of the negative stuff.
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Jun 28, 2017 6:29 PM, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <crg at isoc-cr.org> wrote:
>
>> +1 Farrel
>> thou shall not cross the content line
>>
>> Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
>> Apartado 1571-1000
>> San José COSTA RICA
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2017 5:54 PM, "Farell Folly" <farellfolly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good point and analysis Niels.
>>>
>>> And the truth is ICANN should stay neutral on such things.... judging
>>> such uses of domain names or dealing with contents is still not its
>>> mission.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> @__f_f__
>>>
>>> Computer Security | Internet of Things
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
>>> ________________________________.
>>> Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.
>>>
>>> Le 28 juin 2017 17:45, "Niels ten Oever" <lists at digitaldissidents.org>
>>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Hi Seun,
>>>>
>>>> On 06/28/2017 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>>> > On Jun 28, 2017 5:25 PM, "Niels ten Oever" <
>>>> lists at digitaldissidents.org
>>>> > <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 06/28/2017 05:20 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>>> > > Hello,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I am not a very active participant of the NCUC but but do follow
>>>> > > happening and as a member I find this of interest to me. I read
>>>> > through
>>>> > > the blog post and it was a good read; it seem quite educating
>>>> and
>>>> > makes
>>>> > > a lot of sense. I may understand why a certain service provider
>>>> > may not
>>>> > > like the content but am not sure I understand the reason why
>>>> NCUC is
>>>> > > making a statement against the blog post.
>>>> >
>>>> > Did you read the statement? Which argument did you not find
>>>> compelling?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > SO: I quote the following from the article:
>>>> > "...... Tor serves many good purposes, but also attracts Dark Web
>>>> users
>>>> > wanting to keep their activities or marketplaces
>>>> > secret /and /untraceable...."
>>>> >
>>>> > It seem to me that the blog highlights the good and bad of a
>>>> > tool/service. However your statement seem to indicate that the blog
>>>> only
>>>> > highlights the bad stuff. (ref: We sincerely hope you can correct the
>>>> > negative language in your article)
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> There is an inherent difference between Tor and the Dark Web. In the
>>>> blog he says: Dark Web = Bad, Tor = Partially Good.
>>>>
>>>> The dark web is simply not bad. That is the problem with the blog.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Overall, I know the views of members may not necessarily matter
>>>> > here (as
>>>> > > it seem the EC makes the decision), i will suggest that you
>>>> provide
>>>> > > authoritative source for the definition of "dark web" and "deep
>>>> > web" in
>>>> > > your statement.
>>>> >
>>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web
>>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > SO: Good if that is authoritative then it may be good to include that
>>>> as
>>>> > a reference in the statement.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Regards
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Jun 28, 2017 4:59 PM, "Niels ten Oever"
>>>> > <lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org
>>>> > <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Hi all,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > This morning the ICANN VP for Security and IT published a
>>>> > blogpost which
>>>> > > appeared in this mornings newsletter, as well as on ICANNs
>>>> website
>>>> > > concerning the Dark Web.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hid
>>>> den-services
>>>> > <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-h
>>>> idden-services>
>>>> > >
>>>> > <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hi
>>>> dden-services
>>>> > <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-h
>>>> idden-services>>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > A number of us got together and drafted an email to the
>>>> author
>>>> > to give
>>>> > > him an opportunity to correct the falsehoods that are stated
>>>> > in the
>>>> > > blog.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > We have two options:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. Send the letter on behalf of the NCUC
>>>> > > 2. Sign the letter in your personal capacities.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Let's discuss it here, but feel free to already sign (as a
>>>> > fallback
>>>> > > option).
>>>> > >
>>>> > > You can find the draft letter here:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbk
>>>> Lbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit
>>>> > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOp
>>>> bkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit>
>>>> > >
>>>> > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpb
>>>> kLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit
>>>> > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOp
>>>> bkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit>>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Best,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Niels
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > > Niels ten Oever
>>>> > > Head of Digital
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Article 19
>>>> > > www.article19.org <http://www.article19.org>
>>>> > <http://www.article19.org>
>>>> > >
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>>>> > --
>>>> > Niels ten Oever
>>>> > Head of Digital
>>>> >
>>>> > Article 19
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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>>>> Head of Digital
>>>>
>>>> Article 19
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