<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks for this discussion. This was a very urgent matter, we had to send the statement so that it gets resolved quickly. This is not a public statement. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In the meantime, if there are dissenting views or you have comments on the statement, please make them quickly so that we issue the public statement if we have to. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It was not an authoritative decision by EC to send this email, various comments were made which were addressed and resolved about this matter. NCUC EC customarily can draft, endorse statements and public comments. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Seun Ojedeji <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">For avoidance of doubt as earlier raised, I absolutely agree with the "content" concern raised by farelle but like I said it's not what the NCUC statement is emphasising.<div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">@Niel the same reason why we cannot measure good or bad is the reason why we should not ask for removal of the negative stuff. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers!</div></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 28, 2017 6:29 PM, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">+1 Farrel<br></div><div>thou shall not cross the content line<br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ<br>Apartado 1571-1000<br>San José COSTA RICA</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 28, 2017 5:54 PM, "Farell Folly" <<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com" target="_blank">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Good point and analysis Niels.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And the truth is ICANN should stay neutral on such things.... judging such uses of domain names or dealing with contents is still not its mission.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto"><br><br>Regards<br>@__f_f__<br><br>Computer Security | Internet of Things<br><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/fa<wbr>rellf</a><br>______________________________<wbr>__.<br>Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 28 juin 2017 17:45, "Niels ten Oever" <<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Seun,<br>
<br>
On 06/28/2017 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> On Jun 28, 2017 5:25 PM, "Niels ten Oever" <<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissident<wbr>s.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 06/28/2017 05:20 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> > Hello,<br>
> ><br>
> > I am not a very active participant of the NCUC but but do follow<br>
> > happening and as a member I find this of interest to me. I read<br>
> through<br>
> > the blog post and it was a good read; it seem quite educating and<br>
> makes<br>
> > a lot of sense. I may understand why a certain service provider<br>
> may not<br>
> > like the content but am not sure I understand the reason why NCUC is<br>
> > making a statement against the blog post.<br>
><br>
> Did you read the statement? Which argument did you not find compelling?<br>
><br>
><br>
> SO: I quote the following from the article:<br>
> "...... Tor serves many good purposes, but also attracts Dark Web users<br>
> wanting to keep their activities or marketplaces<br>
> secret /and /untraceable...."<br>
><br>
> It seem to me that the blog highlights the good and bad of a<br>
> tool/service. However your statement seem to indicate that the blog only<br>
> highlights the bad stuff. (ref: We sincerely hope you can correct the<br>
> negative language in your article)<br>
><br>
<br>
There is an inherent difference between Tor and the Dark Web. In the<br>
blog he says: Dark Web = Bad, Tor = Partially Good.<br>
<br>
The dark web is simply not bad. That is the problem with the blog.<br>
<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Overall, I know the views of members may not necessarily matter<br>
> here (as<br>
> > it seem the EC makes the decision), i will suggest that you provide<br>
> > authoritative source for the definition of "dark web" and "deep<br>
> web" in<br>
> > your statement.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki<wbr>/Dark_web</a><br>
> <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wik<wbr>i/Dark_web</a>><br>
><br>
><br>
> SO: Good if that is authoritative then it may be good to include that as<br>
> a reference in the statement.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> ><br>
> > On Jun 28, 2017 4:59 PM, "Niels ten Oever"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissident<wbr>s.org</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissident<wbr>s.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissiden<wbr>ts.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi all,<br>
> ><br>
> > This morning the ICANN VP for Security and IT published a<br>
> blogpost which<br>
> > appeared in this mornings newsletter, as well as on ICANNs website<br>
> > concerning the Dark Web.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blo<wbr>g/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hid<wbr>den-services</a><br>
> <<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/b<wbr>log/the-dark-web-the-land-of-h<wbr>idden-services</a>><br>
> ><br>
> <<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/bl<wbr>og/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hi<wbr>dden-services</a><br>
> <<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/b<wbr>log/the-dark-web-the-land-of-h<wbr>idden-services</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> > A number of us got together and drafted an email to the author<br>
> to give<br>
> > him an opportunity to correct the falsehoods that are stated<br>
> in the<br>
> > blog.<br>
> ><br>
> > We have two options:<br>
> ><br>
> > 1. Send the letter on behalf of the NCUC<br>
> > 2. Sign the letter in your personal capacities.<br>
> ><br>
> > Let's discuss it here, but feel free to already sign (as a<br>
> fallback<br>
> > option).<br>
> ><br>
> > You can find the draft letter here:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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> ><br>
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> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> ><br>
> > Niels<br>
> ><br>
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