[NCUC-DISCUSS] email in response to ICANN blogpost

Seun Ojedeji seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Wed Jun 28 18:33:59 CEST 2017 

For avoidance of doubt as earlier raised, I absolutely agree with the
"content" concern raised by farelle but like I said it's not what the NCUC
statement is emphasising.

@Niel the same reason why we cannot measure good or bad is the reason why
we should not ask for removal of the negative stuff.

Cheers!

On Jun 28, 2017 6:29 PM, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <crg at isoc-cr.org> wrote:

> +1 Farrel
> thou shall not cross the content line
>
> Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ
> Apartado 1571-1000
> San José COSTA RICA
>
> On Jun 28, 2017 5:54 PM, "Farell Folly" <farellfolly at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good point and analysis Niels.
>>
>> And the truth is ICANN should stay neutral on such things.... judging
>> such uses of domain names or dealing with  contents is still not its
>> mission.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> @__f_f__
>>
>> Computer Security | Internet of Things
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf
>> ________________________________.
>> Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.
>>
>> Le 28 juin 2017 17:45, "Niels ten Oever" <lists at digitaldissidents.org> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Hi Seun,
>>>
>>> On 06/28/2017 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>> > On Jun 28, 2017 5:25 PM, "Niels ten Oever" <
>>> lists at digitaldissidents.org
>>> > <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     On 06/28/2017 05:20 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>>> >     > Hello,
>>> >     >
>>> >     > I am not a very active participant of the NCUC but but do follow
>>> >     > happening and as a member I find this of interest to me. I read
>>> >     through
>>> >     > the blog post and it was a good read; it seem quite educating and
>>> >     makes
>>> >     > a lot of sense. I may understand why a certain service provider
>>> >     may not
>>> >     > like the content but am not sure I understand the reason why
>>> NCUC is
>>> >     > making a statement against the blog post.
>>> >
>>> >     Did you read the statement? Which argument did you not find
>>> compelling?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > SO: I quote the following from the article:
>>> > "...... Tor serves many good purposes, but also attracts Dark Web users
>>> > wanting to keep their activities or marketplaces
>>> > secret /and /untraceable...."
>>> >
>>> > It seem to me that the blog highlights the good and bad of a
>>> > tool/service. However your statement seem to indicate that the blog
>>> only
>>> > highlights the bad stuff. (ref: We sincerely hope you can correct the
>>> > negative language in your article)
>>> >
>>>
>>> There is an inherent difference between Tor and the Dark Web. In the
>>> blog he says: Dark Web = Bad, Tor = Partially Good.
>>>
>>> The dark web is simply not bad. That is the problem with the blog.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >     >
>>> >     > Overall, I know the views of members may not necessarily matter
>>> >     here (as
>>> >     > it seem the EC makes the decision), i will suggest that you
>>> provide
>>> >     > authoritative source for the definition of "dark web" and "deep
>>> >     web" in
>>> >     > your statement.
>>> >
>>> >     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web
>>> >     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > SO: Good if that is authoritative then it may be good to include that
>>> as
>>> > a reference in the statement.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     >
>>> >     > Regards
>>> >     >
>>> >     > On Jun 28, 2017 4:59 PM, "Niels ten Oever"
>>> >     <lists at digitaldissidents.org <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>
>>> >     > <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org
>>> >     <mailto:lists at digitaldissidents.org>>> wrote:
>>> >     >
>>> >     >     Hi all,
>>> >     >
>>> >     >     This morning the ICANN VP for Security and IT published a
>>> >     blogpost which
>>> >     >     appeared in this mornings newsletter, as well as on ICANNs
>>> website
>>> >     >     concerning the Dark Web.
>>> >     >
>>> >     >
>>> >      https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hid
>>> den-services
>>> >     <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-h
>>> idden-services>
>>> >     >
>>> >      <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hi
>>> dden-services
>>> >     <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-h
>>> idden-services>>
>>> >     >
>>> >     >     A number of us got together and drafted an email to the
>>> author
>>> >     to give
>>> >     >     him an opportunity to correct the falsehoods that are stated
>>> >     in the
>>> >     >     blog.
>>> >     >
>>> >     >     We have two options:
>>> >     >
>>> >     >     1. Send the letter on behalf of the NCUC
>>> >     >     2. Sign the letter in your personal capacities.
>>> >     >
>>> >     >     Let's discuss it here, but feel free to already sign (as a
>>> >     fallback
>>> >     >     option).
>>> >     >
>>> >     >     You can find the draft letter here:
>>> >     >
>>> >     >
>>> >      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbk
>>> Lbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit
>>> >     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOp
>>> bkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit>
>>> >     >
>>> >      <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpb
>>> kLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit
>>> >     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOp
>>> bkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit>>
>>> >     >
>>> >     >     Best,
>>> >     >
>>> >     >     Niels
>>> >     >
>>> >     >     --
>>> >     >     Niels ten Oever
>>> >     >     Head of Digital
>>> >     >
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>>>
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