<div dir="auto">For avoidance of doubt as earlier raised, I absolutely agree with the "content" concern raised by farelle but like I said it's not what the NCUC statement is emphasising.<div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">@Niel the same reason why we cannot measure good or bad is the reason why we should not ask for removal of the negative stuff. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers!</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 28, 2017 6:29 PM, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">+1 Farrel<br></div><div>thou shall not cross the content line<br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Carlos Raúl GUTIERREZ<br>Apartado 1571-1000<br>San José COSTA RICA</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 28, 2017 5:54 PM, "Farell Folly" <<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com" target="_blank">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Good point and analysis Niels.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And the truth is ICANN should stay neutral on such things.... judging such uses of domain names or dealing with contents is still not its mission.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto"><br><br>Regards<br>@__f_f__<br><br>Computer Security | Internet of Things<br><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/fa<wbr>rellf</a><br>______________________________<wbr>__.<br>Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 28 juin 2017 17:45, "Niels ten Oever" <<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Seun,<br>
<br>
On 06/28/2017 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> On Jun 28, 2017 5:25 PM, "Niels ten Oever" <<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissident<wbr>s.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 06/28/2017 05:20 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> > Hello,<br>
> ><br>
> > I am not a very active participant of the NCUC but but do follow<br>
> > happening and as a member I find this of interest to me. I read<br>
> through<br>
> > the blog post and it was a good read; it seem quite educating and<br>
> makes<br>
> > a lot of sense. I may understand why a certain service provider<br>
> may not<br>
> > like the content but am not sure I understand the reason why NCUC is<br>
> > making a statement against the blog post.<br>
><br>
> Did you read the statement? Which argument did you not find compelling?<br>
><br>
><br>
> SO: I quote the following from the article:<br>
> "...... Tor serves many good purposes, but also attracts Dark Web users<br>
> wanting to keep their activities or marketplaces<br>
> secret /and /untraceable...."<br>
><br>
> It seem to me that the blog highlights the good and bad of a<br>
> tool/service. However your statement seem to indicate that the blog only<br>
> highlights the bad stuff. (ref: We sincerely hope you can correct the<br>
> negative language in your article)<br>
><br>
<br>
There is an inherent difference between Tor and the Dark Web. In the<br>
blog he says: Dark Web = Bad, Tor = Partially Good.<br>
<br>
The dark web is simply not bad. That is the problem with the blog.<br>
<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Overall, I know the views of members may not necessarily matter<br>
> here (as<br>
> > it seem the EC makes the decision), i will suggest that you provide<br>
> > authoritative source for the definition of "dark web" and "deep<br>
> web" in<br>
> > your statement.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki<wbr>/Dark_web</a><br>
> <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wik<wbr>i/Dark_web</a>><br>
><br>
><br>
> SO: Good if that is authoritative then it may be good to include that as<br>
> a reference in the statement.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> ><br>
> > On Jun 28, 2017 4:59 PM, "Niels ten Oever"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissident<wbr>s.org</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissident<wbr>s.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissiden<wbr>ts.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi all,<br>
> ><br>
> > This morning the ICANN VP for Security and IT published a<br>
> blogpost which<br>
> > appeared in this mornings newsletter, as well as on ICANNs website<br>
> > concerning the Dark Web.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blo<wbr>g/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hid<wbr>den-services</a><br>
> <<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/b<wbr>log/the-dark-web-the-land-of-h<wbr>idden-services</a>><br>
> ><br>
> <<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/bl<wbr>og/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hi<wbr>dden-services</a><br>
> <<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/b<wbr>log/the-dark-web-the-land-of-h<wbr>idden-services</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> > A number of us got together and drafted an email to the author<br>
> to give<br>
> > him an opportunity to correct the falsehoods that are stated<br>
> in the<br>
> > blog.<br>
> ><br>
> > We have two options:<br>
> ><br>
> > 1. Send the letter on behalf of the NCUC<br>
> > 2. Sign the letter in your personal capacities.<br>
> ><br>
> > Let's discuss it here, but feel free to already sign (as a<br>
> fallback<br>
> > option).<br>
> ><br>
> > You can find the draft letter here:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/docume<wbr>nt/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbk<wbr>Lbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit</a><br>
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> ><br>
> <<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/docum<wbr>ent/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpb<wbr>kLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit</a><br>
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> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> ><br>
> > Niels<br>
> ><br>
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