[NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow

Thu Jul 27 22:21:07 CEST 2017

Great, thanks Glenn! I think it is not responsible on the part of ICANN 
to force people to use a proprietary platform famous for monetizing our 
PI.  There are other ways to communicate, like email.  I understand that 
many young people especially don't use email, but they have to get used 
to it if they are going to contribute to the working groups at ICANN.

Cheers Steph

On 2017-07-27 16:18, Glenn McKnight wrote:
> Hi Stephanie
> We have a  Technology Taskforce Meeting next week and I will alert 
> this issue to Dev and Judith the cochairs to work on alternatives 
> other than FACEBOOK.  I know lots of folks are looking at alternatives 
> to SKYPE as well.
> I assume that the group also  use  WHATSAPP  as well.
> Glenn
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> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin 
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>
>     I totally agree, nobody should have to join Facebook.  They can
>     find another way to communicate.  I am quite surprised, as I am
>     also surprised to find that Siranush Vardanyan is now ICANN staff.
>     So how do we best argue with this policy?
>
>     Stephanie Perrin
>
>
>     On 2017-07-27 15:48, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>     Hi Dina,
>>
>>     Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention. You raise a very
>>     interesting issue - and I agree, in principle, that signing up for
>>     Facebook should not be a required component of participating in an
>>     ICANN Fellowship program.
>>
>>     Would you feel comfortable forwarding or screenshot-ing the email in
>>     its entirety, just so we can see the full context as a means of
>>     informing this discussion?
>>
>>     In the interim, and while this discussion goes on, it may be useful if
>>     you wanted to raise your concerns directly with Siranush, if you
>>     haven't already. Your objection would seem to me to be a valid one, so
>>     it might be interesting to see how ICANN might respond.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Michael Karanicolas
>>
>>     On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, thomascovenant
>>     <thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>
>>     <mailto:thomascovenant at thomascovenant.org>  wrote:
>>>     Hello,
>>>
>>>     I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite important to
>>>     some.
>>>
>>>     I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for ICANN
>>>     Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn't seem possible
>>>     to question this decision.
>>>
>>>     Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not comply with
>>>     Facebook demand makes no sense to me.
>>>
>>>     I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy
>>>     activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It can be very
>>>     valuable.
>>>
>>>     I don't want any single fellow be forced to compromise their principles
>>>     in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work (please read the
>>>     links below).
>>>
>>>     At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a false name,
>>>     which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large organization.
>>>
>>>     Alternative means of communication should be easily available to those
>>>     who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform should not be
>>>     the reason to discourage volunteer work.
>>>
>>>     We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries impose FB
>>>     cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...
>>>
>>>     What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a good solution
>>>     can be found?
>>>
>>>     Best regards,
>>>
>>>     Dina Solveig Jalkanen,
>>>     grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60
>>>
>>>     Resources:
>>>
>>>     FB Censorship:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
>>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook>
>>>     Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:
>>>     https://stallman.org/facebook.htm
>>>     <https://stallman.org/facebook.htm>
>>>     http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook
>>>     <http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook>
>>>
>>>      From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan
>>>     Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support, ICANN:
>>>
>>>     "Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an ICANN60 Facebook
>>>     page which is a required participation for this program.
>>>     Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as you will be
>>>     asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."
>>>     --
>>>     * * *
>>>     Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow
>>>     https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant
>>>     <https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant>
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