[NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC LAC Call - Onboarding and Choose the theme!

Sun Aug 27 21:04:18 CEST 2017

Thanks for raising such an important issue, Carlos!
I agree with both Ayden and Renata. On the one hand, we find ourselves
challenged by the simultaneous hats people usually wear. On the other, we
go back to the question of representativeness, and *who* are we referring
to when we echo the words "civil society," right? Perhaps there are two
interesting ways to address this. One would be to look at international
networks of civil society groups and the other to get a more granular
perspective of the diversity of "civil society" through regional, local or
thematic (e.g.: gender lens) groups. *However, this doesn't (shouldn't)
exclude the role of individuals. I would also highlight the fact that NCUC
has been doing some great work in building the *middle ground* between both
layers of civil society engagement, be it during pre-IGF meetings (e.g.:
Best Bits Civil Society meeting) and pre-ICANN outreach events (excellent
experience in Joburg).

Even though one can raise many questions related to the *effectiveness
*(another
ambiguous concept), the knowledge *skills-set* that you need to develop to
engage, and the real possibility for "civil society" to attend these
meetings, I do believe that we have been taking a good "step at a time."

I believe this would be an interesting topic for discussion (as it also
relates in some ways to what we are doing in the Onboarding program);
although I think we could narrow it a bit so that we are able to better
assess the topic instead of going back to structural challenges of
awareness, representation, and effective participation. What do you think?

Looking forward to our call!

All the best,

L

2017-08-27 13:32 GMT-03:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> On the participation of civil society — I agree that this would make for
> an interesting discussion. Milton spoke about this in his book, *Networks
> and States*, where he said one of the challenges for civil society
> representation in Internet governance is that there are rarely formal
> mechanisms in place for replacing representatives and that decision-making
> processes are sometimes improvised. It is hard for us to call for
> accountability and transparency when our own lack of formality and
> diversity is lacking! (But I think we're getting a lot better in this
> respect.)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC LAC Call - Onboarding and Choose the
> theme!
> Local Time: 27 August 2017 3:40 PM
> UTC Time: 27 August 2017 14:40
> From: raquino at gmail.com
> To: Carlos Vera <cveraq at gmail.com>
> NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>, ncuc-lac at lists.ncuc.org
>
> Dear Carlos
>
> Thank you for your reply and interest in participation.
>
> About the theme:  "creating awareness for citizens to participate in DNS
> policy" - it's an important one and I'll message you for us to work on it.
>
> About the participation in civil society of representatives from other
> stakeholder groups, I understand your frustration.
> This is a wider problem in internet governance and truer in developing
> countries.
> "Using many hats" is quite common.
> But accountability and transparency are also very important for
> participation as a civil society actor and this is truly difficult to
> obtain from some participants.
> So, in the end, there is a balance.
> You will find it here, as well as in other civil society spaces, finding
> the paths and following the right processes can be done and you can
> accomplish true participation.
> It takes time and patience, it may not be too easy, you may want to give
> up sometimes, but you are very welcome to try it and it is worth it.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Carlos Vera <cveraq at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Renata. I would like to propose a debate about the real civil
>> society participating on Icann issues. Most of the times we see technical
>> or academic or professional people at NCUC but there is a user only people
>> here? How to create awareness for citizens and the importance of this
>> issues?
>>
>> Carlos Vera
>>
>> > On Aug 26, 2017, at 9:51 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > Next NCUC LAC Call will be 29 September
>> >
>> > As our NCUC members highlight presentation we have the Onboarding
>> > Program team - thanks Kathy, Ayden and Louise!
>> >
>> > We have news for this edition: Choose our 2nd theme!
>> >
>> > If there are any issues you think we should discuss on the call, note
>> > your idea. Until mid-September we'll receive suggestions
>> >
>> > You can also volunteer to be a debater!
>> > Remember debaters can also the unsung heroes and heroines who will
>> > help our calls be multilingual so you can also participate in ES or PT
>> > BR - the interpretation we have for now
>> >
>> > NCUC LAC Calls aim to engage and establish communication between
>> > membership from the region but also wth all NCUC and NCSG membership
>> > and those generally interested in civil society and DNS, so all are
>> > welcome
>> >
>> > Thanks for your inputs
>> >
>> > Renata
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Maryam Bakoshi
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