[NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60

[Gustavo Paiva]

I appreciate your suggestion, Michael. I'll start working on a draft.

Gustavo Paiva.

On 22 August 2017 at 18:15, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 Michael.
>
> Might I suggest that those interested in speaking at the event as well as
> those who want to host it create a draft agenda along with some proposed
> aims and objectives?
>
> Best,
> -Michael
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Mike <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I feel very strongly that we shouldn't be self-censoring our topics for
>> discussion based on the fact that the venue is Abu Dhabi. It's bad enough
>> we are going to have members who cannot attend based on their activist
>> backgrounds. If we approach this from the perspective of avoiding any
>> discussion that might make waves, there's no point even showing up.
>>
>> I agree that this could be the topic for a wonderful discussion at
>> Brazilian IGF, but I don't see the two conversations as being mutually
>> exclusive, especially as many (most?) of us won't be at that meeting.
>>
>> I'll also add that I understand concerns raised earlier about normative
>> statements but, from my perspective, this discussion would be less about
>> establishing an official NCUC position and more about feeling the topic
>> out. I wouldn't expect the discussion to end with any sort of "official"
>> conclusion that Cloudflare was wrong (or right), but given that this is an
>> issue with implications for ICANN going forward, it would be useful to come
>> together and share some preliminary thoughts about future challenges. At
>> least, that's how I see it. Let's have the conversation.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Viviane Vinagre <vivianegvinagre at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> "I understand James's concern for scope, just like Bill I don't yet know
>> what to think either, but it seems that Ayden's line that DNS, as a
>> technical framework, "is being used to determine who can and cannot
>> disseminate knowledge and opinions" is absolutely enough for us to put this
>> discussion forward for the time being."
>>
>> I also agree with what Claudio said, I think the best option for us is
>> doing a workshop and discuss that matter in the Brazillian IGF. And as
>> Gustavo I think we would have a better civilized, productive debate,
>> with both sides being represented in Brazil than in Abu Dhabi where the
>> enviroment about freedom of expression isn't that good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-21 17:13 GMT-03:00 Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org>:
>>
>>> On 20/8/17 12:37 pm, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree, let's not escalate things  ourselves.  I think the CEO of
>>> Cloudfare has expressed it quite well: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/1
>>> 7/cloudflare-ceo-says-removing-the-daily-stormer-is-slippery-slope.html.
>>> I think we should have this discussion, am neutral as to the appropriate
>>> setting.  I bet Michael Nelson from Cloudfare will be there, he would be
>>> good to talk to as a discussant of the matter.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also Namecheap, if you haven't seen this piece of theirs, especially the
>>> addendum:
>>>
>>> https://blog.namecheap.com/inciting-violence-vs-freedom-speech/
>>>
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