[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC participating in it?
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Tue Dec 27 20:54:14 CET 2016
I think you have hit the nail on the head here Ayden. I am extremely
wary of accepting policy advice from contractors we have not selected
ourselves. However, your last line in my view sums up the double
jeopardy we are in here, we cannot keep up with the training required to
keep people all functioning at a high level, able to draft excellent
comments, plus do all our own research, plus our process
management.....we are indeed being stretched thin and I don't see things
getting better anytime soon. A good topic for discussion.
Stephanie Perrin
On 2016-12-23 05:32, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> Thanks for sharing your views here, Arsène and Nadira. I am really
> glad we are having this discussion again, and hope that the EC will
> involve us in its discussions in the New Year over what level of
> involvement or organisational support we would like to receive. I just
> wanted to clarify, however, that this programme is separate to the
> pilot community onboarding programme, as I think the two are being
> conflated. The pilot community onboarding programme is working to
> provide new volunteer talent with a faster entrance into the ICANN
> community, and is being developed internally. This programme,
> administered externally by WBC Global, is intended to support our
> involvement in ICANN’s various policy development processes. What
> works for other constituencies and stakeholder groups may not work for
> us, but my understanding is that others are using this support now to
> aid in their policy work. Of course it would be unwise to think of
> this offer of assistance from ICANN as help without strings attached —
> we should think carefully about what support we are happy to accept,
> and how we can ensure we do not become inappropriately dependent upon
> it. But we do need additional support, and if we continue to decline
> the assistance of paid external consultants while others, already with
> more resources then us accept it, we may only exacerbate our
> disadvantages.
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC
>> participating in it?
>> Local Time: 23 December 2016 9:31 AM
>> UTC Time: 23 December 2016 09:31
>> From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com
>> To: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
>> Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>
>>
>> Thanks Ayden for good memories.
>> I think Farzi has set a good timeline in her last message. Let's see
>> what will be the outcomes of step 1, 2 as described and then decide
>> whether worth implementing.
>>
>> Nadira raises a good point. We may need to also dig what other
>> constituencies have been able to do with such a pilot program and
>> maybe build from their experience.
>> After all, any program that aims to help members be well equiped in
>> policy disussion or research should be welcomed (of course after
>> being checked). This should be the starting point to ensure new
>> members are able to engage in ICANN work.
>>
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>> 2016-12-23 0:06 GMT+02:00 Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com
>> <mailto:nadira.araj at gmail.com>>:
>>
>> Hi Ayden,
>> Thanks to Farzaneh for considering the pilot program.
>> To my understanding that constituencies didn't use their pilot
>> program for policy research but to document an introduction for
>> new commers in how to get engaged in the community.
>> Until now didn't read any report about the outcome of its first
>> round.
>>
>> Worth checking,
>> Nadira
>>
>> On 22 Dec 2016 14:41, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>> Thanks for bringing this up.
>>
>> Next year in January, we will do the following 1. Assessing
>> whether we can participate in the pilot if renewed. 2.
>> Coming up with our own ideas for receinving policy receving
>> assistance.
>> 3. Implementation ( this might happen in Feb or March)
>>
>> On 22 Dec 2016 7:29 a.m., "Ayden Férdeline"
>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Farzi,
>>
>> Thanks for this update and for sharing your perspective
>> on this issue.
>>
>> I am glad to hear that the EC will re-evaluate whether or
>> not we choose to participate in this pilot programme. At
>> my second ICANN meeting in Marrakech, I remember
>> listening to Kathy Kleiman brilliantly communicate to the
>> Board that we needed to build our capacity to absorb an
>> increased, growing, and specialised workload. When this
>> pilot programme was announced, it felt to me like our
>> calls had been heard and resources were being offered to
>> boost our participation in ICANN activities. Now it seems
>> like other, already-better resourced constituencies and
>> stakeholder groups are benefiting from this programme
>> while we turned it down… do forgive me if I am
>> oversimplifying things… I just think a better path
>> forward would be if participated in the pilot programme
>> and set our own parametres around what support we would
>> accept and what support we would find unsuitable.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support
>>> pilot - is NCUC participating in it?
>>> Local Time: 22 December 2016 12:11 PM
>>> UTC Time: 22 December 2016 12:11
>>> From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> To: matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org
>>> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>
>>> NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>> <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
>>>
>>> We didn't continue discussing it and in the end did not
>>> sign up for it for this time. I am now looking into if
>>> there will be another opportunity to sign up for it in
>>> the future.
>>>
>>> The EC has to decide on this, one way or another we are
>>> going to come up with ways to support policy research
>>> in the new year. (Even through other means but that's
>>> for next year)
>>>
>>> Just that you know my opinion about using such services:
>>> I do not see any problem as long as it is supervised and
>>> the researchers do not put in their own opinion in docs.
>>> But that's my personal opinion and need to discuss with EC.
>>>
>>> On 22 Dec 2016 06:20, "matthew shears" <mshears at cdt.org
>>> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Didn't we reject this option when it was presented
>>> to us? Unfortunately
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/12/2016 11:19, James Gannon wrote:
>>>> Oh great point, I had forgotten. Whats the status
>>>> on this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Ncuc-discuss
>>>> <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org
>>>> <mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org>> on
>>>> behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>> *Date: *Thursday 22 December 2016 at 11:01
>>>> *To: *NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>> <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
>>>> *Subject: *[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support
>>>> pilot - is NCUC participating in it?
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Whatever happened to that ICANN pilot programme
>>>> which was to offer selected constituencies and
>>>> stakeholder groups assistance with policy research
>>>> and document drafting? I remember being told in
>>>> Helsinki its launch was imminent, and had an
>>>> excellent discussion with a consultant from WBC
>>>> Global about it. Are there any updates?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline
>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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