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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I think you have hit
the nail on the head here Ayden. I am extremely wary of
accepting policy advice from contractors we have not selected
ourselves. However, your last line in my view sums up the
double jeopardy we are in here, we cannot keep up with the
training required to keep people all functioning at a high
level, able to draft excellent comments, plus do all our own
research, plus our process management.....we are indeed being
stretched thin and I don't see things getting better anytime
soon. A good topic for discussion.</font></font></p>
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<div>Thanks for sharing your views here, Arsène and Nadira. I am
really glad we are having this discussion again, and hope that
the EC will involve us in its discussions in the New Year over
what level of involvement or organisational support we would
like to receive. I just wanted to clarify, however, that this
programme is separate to the pilot community onboarding
programme, as I think the two are being conflated. The pilot
community onboarding programme is working to provide new
volunteer talent with a faster entrance into the ICANN
community, and is being developed internally. This programme,
administered externally by WBC Global, is intended to support
our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development processes.
What works for other constituencies and stakeholder groups may
not work for us, but my understanding is that others are using
this support now to aid in their policy work. Of course it would
be unwise to think of this offer of assistance from ICANN as
help without strings attached — we should think carefully about
what support we are happy to accept, and how we can ensure we do
not become inappropriately dependent upon it. But we do need
additional support, and if we continue to decline the assistance
of paid external consultants while others, already with more
resources then us accept it, we may only exacerbate our
disadvantages.<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot
- is NCUC participating in it?<br>
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<div>Local Time: 23 December 2016 9:31 AM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 23 December 2016 09:31<br>
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<div>Thanks Ayden for good memories.<br>
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<div>I think Farzi has set a good timeline in her last
message. Let's see what will be the outcomes of step 1,
2 as described and then decide whether worth
implementing.<br>
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<div>Nadira raises a good point. We may need to also dig
what other constituencies have been able to do with such a
pilot program and maybe build from their experience.<br>
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<div>After all, any program that aims to help members be well
equiped in policy disussion or research should be welcomed
(of course after being checked). This should be the starting
point to ensure new members are able to engage in ICANN
work.<br>
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<div>Hi Ayden,<br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks to Farzaneh for considering the
pilot program.<br>
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<div dir="auto">To my understanding that constituencies
didn't use their pilot program for policy research but
to document an introduction for new commers in how to
get engaged in the community.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Until now didn't read any report about
the outcome of its first round.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Worth checking,<br>
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<div>On 22 Dec 2016 14:41, "farzaneh badii"
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<div dir="auto">Thanks for bringing this
up. <br>
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<div dir="auto">Next year in January, we
will do the following 1. Assessing
whether we can participate in the pilot
if renewed. 2. Coming up with our own
ideas for receinving policy receving
assistance. <br>
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might happen in Feb or March) <br>
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<div>Hi Farzi,<br>
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<div>Thanks for this update and
for sharing your perspective on
this issue.<br>
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<div>I am glad
to hear that the EC will
re-evaluate whether or not we
choose to participate in
this pilot programme. At my
second ICANN meeting in
Marrakech, I remember listening
to Kathy Kleiman brilliantly
communicate to the Board that we
needed to build our capacity to
absorb an increased, growing,
and specialised workload. When
this pilot
programme was announced, it felt
to me like our calls had been
heard and resources
were being offered to boost our
participation in ICANN
activities. Now it seems
like other, already-better
resourced constituencies and
stakeholder groups are
benefiting from this
programme while we turned it
down… do forgive me if I am
oversimplifying things… I just
think a better path forward
would be if participated in the
pilot
programme and set our own
parametres around
what support we would
accept and what support we would
find unsuitable. <br>
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<div>Best wishes,<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS]
WBC Global policy support pilot
- is NCUC participating in it?<br>
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<div>Local Time: 22 December 2016
12:11 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 22 December 2016
12:11<br>
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<div>We didn't continue
discussing it and in the end
did not sign up for it for
this time. I am now looking
into if there will be another
opportunity to sign up for it
in the future. <br>
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<div dir="auto">The EC has to
decide on this, one way or
another we are going to come
up with ways to support
policy research in the new
year. (Even through other
means but that's for next
year) <br>
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<div dir="auto">Just that you
know my opinion about using
such services: I do not see
any problem as long as it is
supervised and the researchers
do not put in their own
opinion in docs. But that's my
personal opinion and need to
discuss with EC. <br>
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option when it was
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Unfortunately<br>
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Whats the
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2016 at 11:01<br>
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WBC Global
policy support
pilot - is
NCUC
participating
in it?<br>
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<div>Hi,<br>
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<div>Whatever
happened to
that ICANN
pilot
programme
which was to
offer selected
constituencies
and
stakeholder
groups
assistance
with policy
research and
document
drafting? I
remember being
told in
Helsinki its
launch was
imminent, and
had an
excellent
discussion
with a
consultant
from WBC
Global about
it. Are there
any updates?<br>
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<div>Thanks,<br>
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