[NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC EC Elections - Voting Starts tomorrow 23 Nov 2015

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

Bill if you really thought my issue with the NCUC charter was how NCUC
elected officers, then you really never understood.  No wonder you were
never willing to take the issue seriously. 

My issue with the NCUC charter is that it is not a proper NCSG charter
and that with the charter it has, NCUC could be said to be in violation
of the NCSG charter and possibly even at risk as a constituency if
someone really wanted to take it seriously.  I always felt it was a
measure by which someone could attack NCUC if they really wanted to
cause a mess.

Whereas, what officers NCUC has and how they are elected is completely
up to NCUC and not in any way determined by the NCSG charter.

avri




On 24-Nov-15 03:10, William Drake wrote:
> Avri
>
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> the fact that we did it wrong before is not reason to do it wrong now
>> now that we know.
>>
>> i see no reason why the NCUC needs to use the same proportionalities as
>> the NCSG.  
>
> This was not your position previously, which was part of why we were
> doing it.
>
> Bill
>
>>  The NCUC does put more weight on individuals than on
>> organizations, so it does make sense, at least until the NCUC charter is
>> revised and renewed.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 23-Nov-15 06:56, William Drake wrote:
>>> Hi Ed
>>>
>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 12:10 AM, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
>>>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>
>>>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So rather than the 4-2-1 voting proportions used for NCSG  elections,
>>>> NCUC elections are run using a 2-1-1 vote weighing system. In
>>>> practical terms the NCUC Bylaws give more power to individual
>>>> members, the NCSG Charter to large organisations.
>>>>
>>>> I do hope the tabulation software will be programmed to accurately
>>>> reflect the NCUC Bylaws. We have several contested elections with
>>>> some fine candidates and in fairness to them it would be good to use
>>>> the vote weighing system contained in our Bylaws and not that of
>>>> our SG.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This puzzled me so I checked with Glen and Maryam as well as the 2013
>>> and 2014 final vote tallies I have saved on my computer.  As far as we
>>> can see, what we’ve done for some years now is follow the NCSG
>>> Charter's vote weighting rather than the NCUC Bylaws' weighting, which
>>> was defined prior the SG's formation. You were on the NCUC EC when we
>>> did this in the 2013 election and I don’t recall it being an issue.
>>> There’s obviously an argument for having harmonization with the later
>>> and technically higher level model, no?  Why should we change
>>> direction at this point?
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, Tapani (king of the data base) is off line today, so
>>> maybe we’ll hold off a day on sending out ballots until we can hear
>>> from him.  I’m about to get off a bouncy train in Zurich where I teach
>>> for four hours, and in any event have never touched the data base, so
>>> I’d rather make sure that our understanding fits with his.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
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