[NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Delegate to the ICANN 2016 Nominating Committee

Thu Aug 6 14:26:15 CEST 2015

Dear All,

I am following the issue on this nomination.

I agree fully with Amr so support Bill for this nomination and looking
forward for the upcoming review and work on the bylaws.

thanks,your
Viktor

trainer, facilitator and consultant
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On 06/08/2015, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am very much in favour of a review of the NCUC bylaws, although I would
> not personally support a change regarding the selection process for the NCUC
> appointee to the NomCom. There are other crucial aspects of the bylaws that
> require updating, especially regarding making it consistent with the NCSG
> charter (which is not now the case).
>
> Changing the constituency bylaws involves more than just initiating a review
> (either via the EC or a petition by members), doing the work, and members
> voting to approve any suggested changes. It requires significant
> coordination with the ICANN board Structural Improvements Committee (SIC),
> which will have to sign off on adoption of the changes when we are done with
> them. Better to do it all throughly and get it right, as opposed to
> suggesting fast-tracked changes to accommodate ideas on “perceived”
> improvements to diversity and process in selection of the NomCom appointee.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Amr
>
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I think we just have to consider working according to existing bylaw as
>> quoted below by Bill  then move on from there.
>>
>> Or like I noted earlier, should we revisit our bylaws in this respect now
>> or after. If you ask me nothing is stopping us now so as to know where we
>> may need further restructuring in the near future beyond diversity as I
>> think there could possibly be other issues.
>>
>> In other words our EC has to make appropriate calls to begin with.
>>
>> It's all for good of NCUC.
>>
>> Regards
>> Remmy
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 5, 2015, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
>> http://www.ncuc.org/governance/bylaws/
>>
>> IV.F lists as among the EC’s duties,
>>
>> 6.  Appoint the Constituency’s representatives to the ICANN Nominating
>> Committee by majority vote, with at least four members voting.
>>
>> That is the process we have always followed without problems.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2015, at 6:45 PM, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> With respect the NomCom role is a selection and not an election, it would
>>> be a fundamental change to the appointment of that role to change it to
>>> an election and certainly a change of that magnitude would need careful
>>> consideration that will not be possible before this years NomCom
>>> selection dates.
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>>> On 5 Aug 2015, at 17:35, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <jjs at dyalog.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The discussion on this thread has underlined some of the difficulties
>>>> that ICANN constituencies face in filling positions on the NomCom or
>>>> other places where important personnel decisions are made. It has also
>>>> drawn attention to the disparity between certain desirable features
>>>> (regional, gender and other diversity requirements) and the current
>>>> Bylaws, which highlight professional experience and personal qualities.
>>>> Stepping back from the discussion regarding specific individuals, I
>>>> would like to offer a practical suggestion, going forward.
>>>>
>>>> For the time being, and as long as the Bylaws are not reviewed, we have
>>>> to respect them, and proper process goes a long way towards ensuring
>>>> clarity, fairness and efficiency. Pursuing the thoughts offered by
>>>> Stephanie, Arun, Peter, Amr and others, I would suggest the following
>>>> steps, which can all be taken in a fairly brief and simple way:
>>>> - the current Executive Council (EC) of NCUC sends out a call for
>>>> candidates for the position of Delegate to the NomCom,
>>>> - this call is accompanied by a reminder of the relevant Bylaws, and of
>>>> the desired criteria of NCUC (diversity, etc.),
>>>> - the EC calls a vote on the list of candidates who satisfy the
>>>> criteria; all registered members of NCUC may vote,
>>>> - the individual garnering the most votes can then be appointed by NCUC.
>>>>
>>>> By following this process, the responsibility of choice is placed on
>>>> each registered member of the NCUC, who can then individually decide
>>>> what priority she/he gives to various criteria such as diversity,
>>>> experience, qualifications, and those spelled out in the current Bylaws.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Jean-Jacques.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>> De: "Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>>>> À: ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>>>> Envoyé: Mercredi 5 Août 2015 17:25:53
>>>> Objet: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Delegate to the ICANN
>>>> 2016	NominatingCommittee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Having kicked off what I thought was a useful discussion on this topic,
>>>> I must apologize for sowing some confusion in my original post. The
>>>> Nomcom seat is a selection not an election. I was, in this remark, "we
>>>> need to ensure a lively, diverse field of candidates for all these
>>>> positions, so that we are not fulfilling the criticism of not enough
>>>> rotation of senior (travel-funded) positions in our
>>>> constituency/stakeholder group" trying to encourage more folks to put
>>>> their names forward for the upcoming elections, as well as being
>>>> considered for Nomcom. Last year, we did not have many candidates for
>>>> the GNSO, most were acclaimed, with the exception of the North American
>>>> seat which both Sam and I were trying for. I think we have had similar
>>>> problems getting folks to volunteer to chair and vice chair the policy
>>>> committee, etc.
>>>> We also have a whole slate of comments coming up, and volunteers who
>>>> want to become more active can by all means participate in those
>>>> drafting exercises. More hands make light work. AS for helping members
>>>> become more engaged in the working groups, several of us volunteered to
>>>> monitor a skype channel for newbie support (where to go to ask all your
>>>> questions during teleconferences, when you don't want to stick your hand
>>>> up) but noone is using it. Please let me know if you want to join.
>>>> There are many barriers to participation, but we need to do something to
>>>> share the work and help folks become more engaged day to day. Perhaps we
>>>> don't use this list enough, a lot of discussion of policy takes place on
>>>> the policy committee list, and if members of that committee don't reach
>>>> out to their own regions and seek input, it really won't work as well. I
>>>> appreciate Arun's comments below very much in this respect.
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-08-05 7:27, Remmy Nweke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Arun for adding your voice to this subject.
>>>> Just wondering how to achieve your ideal delegation without prevailing
>>>> opportunities which you and I know is much of the disadvantages facing
>>>> developing regions including Africa and Asia among others.
>>>>
>>>> No one is asking for pick and drop delegation if you have followed my
>>>> comments.
>>>>
>>>> In case you don't know, I have been lately on the executive board of
>>>> Nigeria Internet Registration Association (NIRA) and on personal
>>>> capacity a Lead Strategist at DigitalSENSE, organisers of the annual
>>>> Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on Internet Goivernance for Development
>>>> (IG4D) and Nigeria Ipv6 Roundtable as much as frequent participant at
>>>> ICANNs.
>>>>
>>>> May be the attached profile will help you and like minds out. I am not
>>>> new to the politics of ICANN and its associated groups.
>>>>
>>>> The issue of restructuring NCUC guidelines on representation is not all
>>>> about me or Africa, but enthroning a true NCUC representation begins
>>>> with a step like the one we are taking now and fine-tune things as we
>>>> progress.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yet, there is need to speak out for those of us from various regions who
>>>> felt 'marginalised' as far as this representation and delegations are
>>>> concern.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> @Peter Green
>>>>
>>>> As much as Bill is eminently qualified, there are also others in the
>>>> same circle including your sincerely based on the criteria outlined on
>>>> the call.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Moving forward:
>>>> The other issue now is whether we should start the procedural
>>>> restructuring on delegations now is what we need to decide promptly,
>>>> because delayed justice is as good as justice denied.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So that whatever we arrived at that juncture will be seen as the
>>>> consensus of NCUC, but not that of a few of us trying to maneuver
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank God we have some two weeks to complete our inhouse deals and make
>>>> submission from NCUC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>> REMMY NWEKE, Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>>>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd [ Multiple-award winning medium ]
>>>> ( DigitalSENSE Business News ; ITREALMS , NaijaAgroNet )
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>>>> Oshodi-Lagos
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>>>>
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>>>> NDSF 2016
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>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Arun Mohan Sukumar <
>>>> arunmohan.s at gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My two cents -- speaking personally, as I've moved from the national law
>>>> university delhi and do not represent the organisation here..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. In principle, I strongly endorse Remmy's call for greater
>>>> geographical diversity in NCUC nominating/appointed positions. Diversity
>>>> by region should, however, not be an article of faith. The candidate's
>>>> background must be weighed against her activity and participation in
>>>> NCUC. Offering candidates from under-represented regions who rarely
>>>> correspond or attend ICANN meetings does more disservice to the
>>>> constituency that serve any real cause.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Diversity in regional representation is not necessarily correlated to
>>>> diversity in perspective. If an NCUC representative from a developing
>>>> region is beholden to the same set of entrenched, institutional
>>>> interests, say as the ICANN Board and reluctant to challenge status quo,
>>>> that would be worrisome. Personally, I would rather vote for or support
>>>> individuals from developed countries offering sound criticism of ICANN
>>>> policies. For e.g., IP Justice appears to be run by individuals from US
>>>> and Europe, but I cannot appreciate enough their flagging of IPR
>>>> concerns which matter enormously to countries, like India.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. Diversity requirements should not be met by appointments/nominations
>>>> alone but by populating the general ranks of the Constituency. The NCUC,
>>>> in my limited interactions with the group, is far too inward looking and
>>>> occupied with ICANN election politics or its (tough) battles with other
>>>> SO/AC groups. It does not perform a satisfactory job of co-opting
>>>> greater numbers from the developing world, and this responsibility lies
>>>> squarely with NCUC leaders from this region. Any NCUC member who seeks
>>>> an elected post on the claim of greater diversity ought to highlight her
>>>> efforts in recruiting or spreading the word about NCUC from her region.
>>>> Otherwise, it becomes a self-fulfilling exercise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 4. Diversity is a key requirement but just as sensitive is the job
>>>> eligibility criteria. The ICANN NomCom role is clearly one that requires
>>>> a strong network of global contacts, competencies in recruitment, and
>>>> more importantly a willingness to engage contrasting perspectives. For
>>>> these reasons, I support Bill's candidature to the NomCom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Arun
>>>>
>>>>
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>>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
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>> --
>> ____
>> REMMY NWEKE,  Lead Strategist/Group Executive Editor,
>> DigitalSENSE Africa Media Ltd [Multiple-award winning medium]
>> (DigitalSENSE Business News; ITREALMS, NaijaAgroNet)
>> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos
>> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms
>> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria
>> NDSF 2016
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