[NCUC-DISCUSS] Expanding Scope of ICANN

[Marc Perkel]

I think ICANN needs to increase its scope. I think ICANN needs to become 
a UN alternative forum to fill a vacuum to address issues like the NSA 
spying. If ICANN doesn't do it - who will?


On 10/27/2013 11:01 PM, Dan Krimm wrote:
> To the extent that Fadi is trying to address Internet Governance generally
> (forgive me if I am reading too much into his actions?), that would seem to
> be out of scope, regardless of whether ICANN/IANA and general-IG both would
> benefit from internationalization.
>
> As for multistakeholderism, in principle this all sounds great, but in
> practice it seems to have fallen far short of its intended potential.  In
> practice is where the rubber hits the road, and in practice MSism at ICANN
> has recently fallen prey to ad hoc action when some "more equal than
> others" stakeholders decide the outcome is not to their liking.  They
> apparently start to think along the lines of "God is not Mocked."
>
> I see MSism as still an experimental work-in-progress, hardly with all the
> bugs worked out, and not necessarily "ready for prime time" in terms of
> overall world governance.  The only reason it has worked as free from
> collapse at ICANN as it has up to now, I think, is that the big Powers That
> Be in the world (nations and big corporations) hadn't really seen ICANN as
> all that meaningful in their general scheme of things.  The more important
> ICANN's actions become, the more the big powers will pound on it to shape
> it to their desires.  I think you've only seen the bare beginning of this
> in the ad hoc shenanigans of the last few years.  Just beginning to rev up
> the engines.  MSism has not reached up out of the play-pen to play with the
> Big Boys yet, as far as I can tell, and it remains to be seen how it will
> fare if it is brought up to the Big Time.
>
> That's a big risk, IMHO.  Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
> And if it doesn't turn out how you expected, what then?  This whole MSism
> experiment is a huge exercise in unintended consequences (in the gap
> between theory and practice), if you ask me.  It's worth doing the
> experiment, but I'd be more comfortable if the experiment were closer to
> completion before trying it out on anything *really* important.  I don't
> see it anywhere near that point, yet.
>
> Dan
>
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> At 12:59 AM -0400 10/28/13, avri doria wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> In terms of legitimacy, isn't one of the topics that needs to be explored
>> internationalisation of ICANN, and IANA? Isn't that a topic at the top of
>> the list? That seems to be in scope.
>>
>> And the ICANN Board seems to be on-board as Fadi was meeting with a subset
>> of them (including the Chair) and AC/SO leadership every morning. I wasn't
>> in the meetings, and don't know who the rep from gnso was since Jonathan
>> wasn't there, so don't know what the level of buy in was, but I heard no
>> complaints on the ground.
>>
>> So whatever we might say about scope creep Fadi is not being renegade.
>>
>> As for scope creep Fadi and the leaders of the other I* seem to be acting
>> in coordinated faction, so it is within their scope, and would seem to be
>> in scope for any one of them to act on I*'s behalf in organizational
>> talks with governments on a meeting planning.
>>
>> So, in this case at least, I see no fundamental problem of overreach by
>> Fadi.  And, whether he fully understand what it means, he seems to be
>> carrying the banner of multistakeholderism into these discussions.
>>
>> So, at least this once, I am not ready to join in Fadi-attack.
>>
>>
>> avri
>>
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