[NCUC-DISCUSS] Scope creep and renegade was Re: NCUC Statement on PRISM?

[Dan Krimm]

To the extent that Fadi is trying to address Internet Governance generally
(forgive me if I am reading too much into his actions?), that would seem to
be out of scope, regardless of whether ICANN/IANA and general-IG both would
benefit from internationalization.

As for multistakeholderism, in principle this all sounds great, but in
practice it seems to have fallen far short of its intended potential.  In
practice is where the rubber hits the road, and in practice MSism at ICANN
has recently fallen prey to ad hoc action when some "more equal than
others" stakeholders decide the outcome is not to their liking.  They
apparently start to think along the lines of "God is not Mocked."

I see MSism as still an experimental work-in-progress, hardly with all the
bugs worked out, and not necessarily "ready for prime time" in terms of
overall world governance.  The only reason it has worked as free from
collapse at ICANN as it has up to now, I think, is that the big Powers That
Be in the world (nations and big corporations) hadn't really seen ICANN as
all that meaningful in their general scheme of things.  The more important
ICANN's actions become, the more the big powers will pound on it to shape
it to their desires.  I think you've only seen the bare beginning of this
in the ad hoc shenanigans of the last few years.  Just beginning to rev up
the engines.  MSism has not reached up out of the play-pen to play with the
Big Boys yet, as far as I can tell, and it remains to be seen how it will
fare if it is brought up to the Big Time.

That's a big risk, IMHO.  Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
And if it doesn't turn out how you expected, what then?  This whole MSism
experiment is a huge exercise in unintended consequences (in the gap
between theory and practice), if you ask me.  It's worth doing the
experiment, but I'd be more comfortable if the experiment were closer to
completion before trying it out on anything *really* important.  I don't
see it anywhere near that point, yet.

Dan


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At 12:59 AM -0400 10/28/13, avri doria wrote:
>Hi,
>
>In terms of legitimacy, isn't one of the topics that needs to be explored
>internationalisation of ICANN, and IANA? Isn't that a topic at the top of
>the list? That seems to be in scope.
>
>And the ICANN Board seems to be on-board as Fadi was meeting with a subset
>of them (including the Chair) and AC/SO leadership every morning. I wasn't
>in the meetings, and don't know who the rep from gnso was since Jonathan
>wasn't there, so don't know what the level of buy in was, but I heard no
>complaints on the ground.
>
>So whatever we might say about scope creep Fadi is not being renegade.
>
>As for scope creep Fadi and the leaders of the other I* seem to be acting
>in coordinated faction, so it is within their scope, and would seem to be
>in scope for any one of them to act on I*'s behalf in organizational
> talks with governments on a meeting planning.
>
>So, in this case at least, I see no fundamental problem of overreach by
>Fadi.  And, whether he fully understand what it means, he seems to be
>carrying the banner of multistakeholderism into these discussions.
>
>So, at least this once, I am not ready to join in Fadi-attack.
>
>
>avri
>
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