[NCUC-DISCUSS] Fadi's strategy panels

[Dan Krimm]

Marc,

People have been talking about "world government" for many decades, since
well before the Internet was a twinkle in DARPA's eye.  It may or may not
happen, and if it does happen it may or may not happen as quickly as one
might imagine (there remain *lots* of sticky obstacles to it, that have
nothing to do with information technology, and are not much affected by
info tech).  The Internet does not guarantee it, and at least does not
necessarily hasten it, however much one thinks it (Internet) may motivate
it (world government).

If WG is to happen, there is not that much reason to expect it will emerge
out of ICANN per se (however much some folks at ICANN may seem to be
moving in that direction), or to think that ICANN would be the ideal venue
to push for it.  I'm not sure how to interpret Fadi's efforts here, other
than to view it as personal opportunism on Fadi's part, only related to
ICANN because he has found this venue to be a tool for his individual
advancement on the world stage, for the moment.

There *are* other forums better suited to address this sort of thing. 
IGF, for one.  I personally don't think ICANN's explicit mandate is a good
fit for addressing the broader potentials, and it would be better to keep
ICANN per se out of these things to the extent we can.  Better to form a
separate, independent group, with a self-defined mandate (rather than one
even only pro-forma attached to USG) and quite possibly recruit from ICANN
participants to participate there in addition.

In any case, any individual may participate in anything they are eligible
for, and that's not a bad thing.  I would like to see many of the great
advocates we have here participate in other institutional contexts (cf.
Wolfgang and a number of others).

But I agree with those who think that dragging ICANN per se into this
issue as an institution would be counterproductive in many ways.  ICANN is
not an effective institutional platform from which to address such
matters, IMHO.

Better to find another place to stand in order to move the Earth in that
Aristotelian manner, I think.

Dan


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On Fri, October 18, 2013 7:42 am, Marc Perkel wrote:
> Well, explain then how world government is not inevitable? As the
> Internet increases and a world community continues to form how is it
> avoidable? In what forum do we address NSA issues? How do governments
> and NGOs address misbehavior on the Internet?
>
> It is going to happen. The only choice we have is if we are going to get
> involved and do it right or if we are going to ignore it and hope
> someone else does it right.
>
> On 10/17/2013 6:13 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>>
>> Very short, world government ? With all due respect that's BS
>>
>> -Jorge
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Marc Perkel <marc at churchofreality.org
>> <mailto:marc at churchofreality.org>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 10/17/2013 3:34 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Marc Perkel
>>>> <marc at churchofreality.org <mailto:marc at churchofreality.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Maybe we should get involved with these new panels.
>>>>
>>>>     The way I see it the NSA issue is going to spur a push for
>>>>     Internet Governance and I think that ICANN is going to be in the
>>>>     middle of it. So there's an opportunity here for us to get
>>>>     involved and help shape this as it develops.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please, define "this"
>>>>
>>>> -J
>>>>
>>>
>>> This - the emergence of world government. In the future as technology
>>> develops more of the world community will exist in cyberspace and
>>> governments as they exist today will play a lesser role. The
>>> infrastructure for that is forming now - here - at ICANN - and we get
>>> to be part of the process for making that happen. So - we should get
>>> involved and do a good job.
>>>
>>>
>
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