[NCSG-Discuss] GNSO applicants to the ATRT2 team

Thu Jan 31 18:15:06 CET 2013

Hi,

I tend to disagree with the notion that only the head up counts.

I tend to think that people's life experiences are signifiant and that those experiences bring different necessary perspectives.  Hence the need for all sorts of diversity including at least gender and geographic.  I would tend to include straight versus queer, but I know the world is not quite ready for that one yet.

As for logic, binary logic, a simplification necessary for old time machinery, is what leads one into illogical arguments.  Multivalued logic is much better for dealing with the complexities of the world.

cheers

avri

On 31 Jan 2013, at 08:57, Alex Gakuru wrote:

> Regards this, I deliberately chose  to make up my mind on and deal with *all* persons from the neck upwards. Pleased that it saved me a reasonable number of illogical arguments.
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> --sent from a handheld-- excuse brevity and any typos--
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> On Jan 31, 2013 7:24 PM, "Carl Smith" <lectriclou at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks David,
> 
> I have no problem with the geographic point, but If our best choice is a woman then what is the problem?  To me, the one of whom we have the greatest confidence is who will serve our joint interests best.  I look to the minds and hearts of those I support.  There are still bigots in the world and surely that will continue to need addressing.  Though often hidden from view.  If the females of the world are to be our leaders because they have the right stuff, we are better for that.  Are men afraid of loosing their machismo?   
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> Sorry for the rant, but I see this gender thing as demeaning to those who have worked to get to the position which they have rightfully earned.
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> Respectfully,
> 
> Lou
> 
> On 1/30/2013 12:37 PM, David Cake wrote:
>> FWIW, only one GNSO endorsed candidate was required to meet gender diversity requirements, and both applicants from NCSG were women, so NCSG was inevitably going to meet the gender diversity requirements for the council, and so gender diversity was not at issue for this selection. One applicant from the Registries was a woman, but they did not choose to advance them as a candidate for endorsements. 
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>> The diversity requirement that is relevant to the council endorsement decision was geographical diversity - we have ended up with four GNSO endorsed candidates from North America. There was an option for the council to endorse two extra candidates to satisfy geographical diversity requirements, one each from NCSG (Marie-Laure) and CSG, but the contracted parties did not vote for it. 
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>> Regards
>>  David
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>> On 30/01/2013, at 8:38 AM, Carl Smith <lectriclou at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>>> Thanks Bill,
>>> 
>>> Is this a solution looking for a problem or is there a problem of which I am unaware.  Seems to me, we have tried to get the representation with confidence in mind.  I know we talked about diversity with agreement.  But if our best representation is not of the right sex......?  I for one just want our consensus to be aggressively pursued by whom ever we feel most confident.  I never got the impression any of us was a bigot.  We have a liberty minded group, I believe.
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>>> Respectfully,
>>> 
>>> Lou
>>> 
>>> On 1/29/2013 9:51 AM, William Drake wrote:
>>>> Hi Alain
>>>> 
>>>> The process agreed agreed June 2010 http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other/aoc-reviews is that
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>>>> "If the list does not meet the above mentioned diversity objectives, the Council as a whole may choose to endorse up to two additional candidates from the applicant pool who would help to give the list of GNSO nominees the desired balance. In this case, the Council would hold a vote during its teleconference, with sixty percent support of both houses represented in the Council being required for endorsement. If no candidate obtains that level of support, the list of endorsements obtained via the bottom-up process of stakeholder group nominations will be deemed final and forwarded to ICANN."
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>>>> So the additional nominees would be of the GNSO generally, not of the houses or SGs.  The CPH stance was thus technically fine, just ill-considered.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 10:34 PM, Alain Berranger <alain.berranger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Robin,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did not know it was an option for contracting parties to block non-contracted parties additional candidates. Is that the right interpretation? Did  they also blocked additional candidates that would have added gender diversity?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alain
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Monday, January 28, 2013, Robin Gross wrote:
>>>>> I am told that the contracting parties blocked all additional candidates that would have added some geo diversity to the group.  That part is disappointing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
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>>>>>> From: "Jonathan Robinson" <jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com>
>>>>>> Date: January 27, 2013 12:49:41 PM PST
>>>>>> To: "Steve Crocker" <steve at shinkuro.com>, <Heather.Dryden at ic.gc.ca>, <jeannie.ellers at icann.org>
>>>>>> Cc: <council at gnso.icann.org>, <marilynscade at hotmail.com>, <krosette at cov.com>, "tony holmes" <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, "William Drake" <william.drake at uzh.ch>, <alain.berranger at gmail.com>, <robin at ipjustice.org>, "'KEITH DRAZEK'" <kdrazek at Verisign.com>, "Matt Serlin" <matt.serlin at markmonitor.com>
>>>>>> Subject: GNSO applicants to the ATRT2 team
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Steve, Dear Heather,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Please see attached letter regarding appointment of applicants arising from within the GNSO to the ATRT2 team.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Thank-you for giving this matter your attention.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Jonathan
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>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Jonathan Robinson
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>>>>>> Chair
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>>>>>> ICANN GNSO Council
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>>>>>>  
>>>>>> jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com
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>>>>>> skype: jonathan.m.r
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>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
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