[NCSG-Discuss] NCSG lists on non-ICANN servers

[Tapani Tarvainen]

On Feb 26 15:41, Milton L Mueller (mueller at SYR.EDU) wrote:

> NCUC-DISCUSS has been on syr.edu servers for more than a decade.
> It has never been shifted around.

Actually it has - arguably it was just a continuation of the older
ncndhc-discuss, which incidentally was hosted by ICANN.
At least you described it as a move back then.

Also, it hasn't been quite a decade since it was moved,
as it only happened in August 2003. :-)
To wit:

On Aug 28 10:46, 2003 Milton Mueller (Mueller at SYR.EDU) wrote:
> Subject:      Archive URL
> Date:         Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:46:53 -0400
> From: Milton Mueller <Mueller at SYR.EDU>
> To: NCUC-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> 
> Here is the URL for the temporary NCUC listerv archives. 
> 
> http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/ncuc-discuss.html
> 
> Compared to the Mailman interface used on the old
> list, it's lousy. You have to search for messages,
> by thread or time. Try using "since" (month, year)
> to get a complete listing. 
> 
> Apologies for that, just remember it's temporary.
> We will use Mailman for the new, permanent list.
> 
> --MM

Which I guess goes to prove that there's nothing more permanent
as a temporary solution. :-)

> It's a free neutral platform, uncensored, and has never caused any
> technical problems.

Although it has lousy interface... :-)

> Making ourselves dependent on ICANN, on the other hand, will be sure
> to cause some shifting around.

Here I must agree, however. The earlier ncndhc-discuss was indeed
hosted by ICANN, and its archives have disappeared from there, as you
can see by trying the link given a message from it I've copied below.
Its archives can still be found in the depths of the Internet, but
it's not entirely trivial - Google won't find them, for example.

Anyway, the new ncuc-discuss list about to be launched soon will be
hosted on an ncuc-owned virtual private server (using Mailman, of
course, to fulfill Milton's promise above) along with other ncuc
lists, which should make them independent of both individual ncuc
leaders as well as of ICANN. (I'm going to copy the archive of
the ncndhc-discuss there as well.)
Let's hope it doesn't prove less permanent solution than the current
"temporary" ncsg-discuss.

Tapani Tarvainen



On Sep 05 14:18, 2003 Milton Mueller (Mueller at syr.edu) wrote:
> Subject: [ncdnhc-discuss] Closing this list
> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:18:25 -0400
> From: Milton Mueller <Mueller at syr.edu>
> To: discuss at icann-ncc.org
> 
> 
> The discussion list of the Noncommercial Users Constituency has been moved to another site and restricted to 2002 members. After this message the list will cease to function; however, its archives will continue to be publicly posted at http://www.icann-ncc.org/pipermail/discuss/ 
> 
> To join the NCUC under the terms of its new charter, please send a request for a membership application form to YJ Park: yjpark at myepark.com 
> 
> All official NCUC members as of 2002 were automatically transferred to the new list. Eligible organizations who are on this list but who did not pay to join in 2002 should contact Ms. Park for an application form and join the new list. 
> 
> Although posting rights to the new list are restricted to members, the archives of this list can be viewed publicly here:
> http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/ncuc-discuss.html
> 
> --MM