[NCUC-DISCUSS] Fwd: [ccwg-internet-governance] What is open, what is limited?

Grigori Saghyan gregor at arminco.com
Thu Dec 12 11:07:58 CET 2013 

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Dear Bill,
I am ready to participate in this CWG, and can provide some
information about current IG process in Armenia. We have started the
process of creation of a permanent IG Forum lasy year, during
preparation Armenian position on WCIT.

Grigori Saghyan
ISOC.AM

On 12.12.2013 10:37, William Drake wrote:
> on the construction of the Community Working Group on IG.  As per
> the meeting with At Large in BA, NCSG is currently represented by
> me, Avri, and Rafik.  The agreement is to have up to four.  I?d
> have thought the fourth should be NPOC, but was told NPOC people
> are aware but didn?t put anyone forward.  So I guess we could
> suggest a fourth?
> 
> Formal seats on the CWG aside, the deal apparently is that anyone
> can join the mailing list or listen in on the calls.  If you want
> to sign up, as some NCUCers have already, go to
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-internet-governance
> 
> Best
> 
> Bill
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> *From: *Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org <mailto:evan at telly.org>> 
>> *Subject: **Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] What is open, what is
>> limited?* *Date: *December 11, 2013 at 9:48:51 PM GMT+1 *To:
>> *Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> 
>> *Cc: *"ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org 
>> <mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>" 
>> <ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org 
>> <mailto:ccwg-internet-governance at icann.org>>
>> 
>> Thanks, Olivier. I fully agree with this course of action.
>> 
>> Regarding the (optional!) group Skype chat that was mentioned
>> during the call; this has been set up but has not been fully
>> populated.
>> 
>> If you wish to be added to the chat you need to be added by
>> someone already there, which right now includes the ALAC and NCSG
>> people plus Ken Stubbs, Michele Neylon, Renate Dewulf and Tracy
>> Hackshaw. Or feel free to contact me (not the list!) with your
>> skype ID and I will add you.
>> 
>> - Evan
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 December 2013 15:31, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
>> <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Bill,
>> 
>> thanks for this note and apologies for going through this
>> quickly at the end of the call.
>> 
>> There are several aspects to our working lists & conference
>> calls and this is what I suggest:
>> 
>> *Transparency* As ICANN is open to all participation and in the
>> interest of transparency, our conference calls as well as our
>> mailing list should be "open" to everyone.
>> 
>> *Speaking/Writing rights* With the premise that anyone can dial
>> in on a conference call and anyone can subscribe to the mailing
>> list (for convenience I figured it would be better to have a
>> mailing list that's open for everyone to subscribe to rather than
>> asking people to read the proceedings on the mailing list's
>> archive) the question then comes to the differentiation between
>> observers and WG members.
>> 
>> - Calls Everyone can dial into the call but only officially
>> designated representatives (ie: members of the CCWG) can
>> speak/intervene. People dialled in the call that do not have a
>> right to speak can channel their input through their official
>> representatives. The person Chairing the call & Staff will make
>> sure this guideline is adhered to.
>> 
>> - Mailing list Everyone can be subscribed to the mailing list but
>> only Official designated representatives (ie. members of the
>> CCWG) may post to the list. Observers of the CCWG have their
>> "moderation flag on" which means any posting from them will go to
>> the list moderator which at the moment is Staff - so it doesn't
>> get distributed to everyone. Again, this is done in order to have
>> observers channel their input through their designated members. 
>> The moderation flag is something which Staff will need to set 
>> manually but it is straight forward.
>> 
>> *In Camera Discussions*
>> 
>> From time to time, there might be a need for the WG to work "in 
>> camera" during a conference call - ie. confidentially. The 
>> recording will be stopped and all participants on the call 
>> accounted for, with any non WG participants (observers) asked to 
>> leave the call. At this stage, I do not expect any "in camera" 
>> discussions, but I've said that many times in past working
>> groups until the day when we needed to have such a discussion.
>> 
>> We could be picky and give "official observers" a special status 
>> so they could remain in the "in camera" discussions if we wanted
>> to.
>> 
>> I hope this proposal is satisfactory for everyone. Feedback 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Kindest regards,
>> 
>> Olivier
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/12/2013 18:17, William Drake wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I?m on Skype with a bunch of people trying to understand what 
>>> Olivier said quickly at the end of the call and whether it is
>>> the group consensus.
>>> 
>>> Is the deal that we agree
>>> 
>>> 1.  4 designated reps formally on the CWG 2.  Those reps or
>>> their alternates participate in the conference calls 3.
>>> However, the mailing list would be open to anyone in the 
>>> community, so we can give out the URL to sign up
>>> 
>>> Is that right?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Louis Lee <louie at louie.net 
>>> <mailto:louie at louie.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Olivier,
>>>> 
>>>> The ASO Address Council have come to full consensus on 
>>>> forwarding the names of following three volunteers to the
>>>> NRO Executive Council for ASO endorsement:
>>>> 
>>>> * Filiz Yilmaz * Naresh Ajwani * Martin Levy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I will stay on the list and join conference calls (as I'm
>>>> able to) as an observer for the time being.
>>>> 
>>>> Ergys & Renate,
>>>> 
>>>> In anticipation of ASO endorsement, please subscribe all 3
>>>> of them to this CCWG mailing list.  Please also provide them
>>>> as well as myself with access to the CCWG wiki.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> 
>>>> Louie Lee Chair, ICANN ASO Address Council
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In anticipation of this endorsement, would you please
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond 
>>>> <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Michele,
>>>> 
>>>> thanks for this. Excellent to hear James is joining. I have 
>>>> asked Ergys to add him because I don't have the ability to 
>>>> add anyone to the mailing list. So if you need to add people 
>>>> and that includes the request from Elisa too, please email 
>>>> ergys.ramaj at icann.org <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org> who is 
>>>> the Staff member supporting the WG and he'll add the names to
>>>> the list. Kind regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Olivier
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
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>> 
>> -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Evan Leibovitch Toronto Canada
>> 
>> Em: evan at telly dot org Sk: evanleibovitch Tw: el56
>> 
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