The DNS problem

[Carl Smith]

Thanks Jfc for that perspective.

Lou

On 8/22/2012 6:59 PM, JFC Morfin wrote:
> At 22:35 22/08/2012, Carl Smith wrote:
>> Thanks Avri,
>>
>> This will work with V6, But would dramatically change the status quo.
>> There would be radical changes for commercial aspects to the Net.
>>
>> Lou
>
> There will be radical changes for commercial aspects of the Net the
> day we might insure the Civil Society, the Governements, the Users and
> the International organizations understand how the DNS works.
>
> That day,
>
> 1. the ICANN's bluff will be called off.
> 2. the Internet will be quite more "neutral" because more forces will
> be involved, IUsers and Civil Society to begin with.
> 3. innovation will be able to take-off, specially in the direction of
> what is called CCN (i.e. content centric networking), i.e. access to
> remote files in the network cloud on the basis of their content, even
> crypted one (consider an open wikipedia: this is wiki 3.0).
>
> For those who joined our IUsers list at the IETF (iucg at ietf.org), they
> know we started today investigating on a "dangerous project": a
> "President Internet Book", i.e. a way to explain the whole digital
> ecosystem, the Internet is a part of for everyone to understand and
> share the same specifications and user guide. This work is a long term
> work and we need many people to share into it, of every specialisation
> because "2.0" is a network centric bridge to something societaly
> really new: the people centric society decided by the WSIS.
>
> The idea behind it is NOT to tell an embellished history of the US
> internet once more but what future "3.0" is to be, so it may be agreed
> upon, pertinently discussed, the Internet+ prototyped, network
> services tested. In cooperation with the ITU which permitted "1.0" and
> IETF which permitted "2.0" and throughout much work and development to
> come and explanations that even Presidents may understand.
>
> I think this is now possible because we are "mid-way": we learned,
> gained experience, developped tools, met legal and societal issues,
> tried a global governance, made mistakes and obtained successes and
> most of all I do not think we made too many blocking mistakes and we
> discovered with the IDNA2008 consensus that the Internet architecture
> was much more resilient than expected, would we read RFCs appropriately.
>
> jfc
>
> http://iucg.org Internet Users Contributing Group
> iucg at ietf.org - to learn, understand and propose
>
>
>> On 8/22/2012 5:51 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>> On 22 Aug 2012, at 10:34, Andrei Barburas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Two or more domain names can share the same IP address and not
>>>> every domain/site has a unique IP address. As for the Internet
>>>> working without the DNS, it is true when you refer to IPv6, not IPv4.
>>>
>>> the Internet worked before DNS and I expect it would work without
>>> it, thought there would need to be some set of mechanisms for
>>> turning structured human intelligible names into the structured
>>> digit based names commonly referred to as numbers (aka addresses).
>>>
>>> it is true as we still don't know how to route on urls, we still
>>> need a mechanism to translate between the names we humans are
>>> comfortable with and the names that the software is designed for.
>>>
>>> not sure why this is not the case for IPv6 as well.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
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