Meeting in Dakar re NPOC complaint

Sat Oct 29 18:08:27 CEST 2011

Hi,

Actually as members of Nomcom, it surprises me that all Nomcom members don't have to do one.  Might be a great new touch for this year's nomcom.  would be great to see not only the names of all the Nomcom choosers, but a list of their Interests as well.  After all, they do hold the fate of ICANN in their hands

Besides, as a member of Nomcom for NCUC you are most definitely an active member of the SG.

avri

On 29 Oct 2011, at 13:18, Maria Farrell wrote:

> Thanks, Avri. 
> 
> While it's not an obligation to do so, I am happy to volunteer an SOI to the list based on the template - if that would be constructive and a welcome thing to do in the circumstances. Or anyone who's interested can visit my LinkedIn profile which I try to keep up to date: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1110917&trk=tab_pro
> 
> Maria
> 
> On 29 October 2011 11:09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The SOI is a requirement for all those who participate in an of the Working Groups or the the g-council itself.  So the more people we have represented in the SOI directory, the better because it means lots of people are participating in the activities of ICANN.  Amber and Konstantinos filed one because it was required for their respective stints as temporary replacements for a g-councilor.  The paucity of NCSG members listed in the directory is a direct witness to how few of us participate in WGs.
> 
> We do not, however, have a NCSG Charter requirement for filling out an SOI as a member of the SG. And I am not sure how well it work out for us to put SOIs for all of our members, and the members of organizational members, in the GNSO SOI list.
> 
> But if the NCSG wanted to make filing an SOI a requirement, that would be interesting discussion. And I suppose the NCSG-EC could implement something specifically for the NCSG if they wished.  It would be relatively easy for someone to copy the template from the GNSO wiki space and start one in the NCSG wiki space.
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> On 29 Oct 2011, at 04:12, Alain Berranger wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Dan,
> >
> > I would add that a reasonable standard of transparency and participation would include all NCSG members' SOIs be submitted in the nearest future. It only takes a few minutes to complete. I notice that Amber and Konstantinos, our respective Chairs of NPOC and NCUC have completed their SOIs under the new format and we should all follow their lead. As many NPOC members have recently joined this discussion group, it would help us understand the web of relationships and degrees of separation in the  NCSG community and their two constituencies. For new comers, knowing who you are dealing with is essential.
> >
> > Cheers, Alain
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Dan Krimm <dan at musicunbound.com> wrote:
> > This is a big relief, very happy to hear it.
> >
> > I'd be even happier to see a post on-list by Amber that NPOC is happy with
> > this outcome.  Firsthand public reports are always the "gold standard"
> > here, and a very good habit to get into as a matter of course -- just a
> > friendly piece of advice about the collective culture here as a way to
> > offer a welcoming hand in good faith.
> >
> > 90% of success in life is simply showing up.  For those of us who are not
> > able to attend these events in person or even remotely in real time, this
> > list is where "showing up" has the broadest reach as well as the
> > tangibility and persistence of a written record.  It has real and
> > unduplicated meaning, and thus it makes a real difference.
> >
> > So please, take our hand here on-list, and don't be a stranger.  This
> > public forum is an ineliminable venue for bringing our community together,
> > and should not be discounted.  Regular presence here in good faith should
> > be factored into any commitment to participate in the SG, especially as a
> > leader/representative.  This is a fabulous opportunity for a fresh start,
> > and for looking forward.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > --
> > Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the author alone and
> > do not necessarily reflect any position of the author's employer.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, October 28, 2011 11:28 am, Robin Gross wrote:
> >> Thank you Milton.  I agree it was a worthwhile discussion and we were able
> >> to clarify several misunderstandings and recalibrate expectations
> >> regarding the NCSG membership application process so the SG should be less
> >> likely to have these hiccups in the future.
> >>
> >> Specifically, it was clarified that when new NCSG membership applications
> >> are submitted, they need to be submitted by the organization making the
> >> application itself (not the chair of NCUC or NPOC).  Although Konstantinos
> >> & Amber (as chairs of NCUC & NPOC) will come up with a membership form
> >> that can be submitted to the NCSG-EC and the constituency at the same
> >> time.  Applications will be responded to by the EC within 2 weeks from
> >> submission.  The NCSG-EC will conduct its due diligence and verify the
> >> applicants and make its decision as agreed in the NCSG charter.
> >>
> >> So with respect to the recent election results and the handling of
> >> membership applications, it was a very productive conversation and I am
> >> hopeful that we now have a clearer understanding of how to move forward.
> >> Actually, the NCSG Charter, which was agreed to by the NCSG membership,
> >> NCUC, NPOC and the ICANN Board proscribes many of the mechanisms and
> >> processes that should be followed for administration of the SG.
> >>
> >> It is my hope and sincere wish that past differences can be put aside and
> >> we can all begin working together in a cooperative and constructive
> >> fashion to build a stronger SG that promotes the interests of all
> >> noncommercial users of the DNS.  NCSG welcomes its new members, including
> >> NPOC members, and is looking forward to working with the participants in
> >> the coming months to build a stronger and more diverse SG at ICANN.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Robin Gross
> >> NCSG Chair
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 28, 2011, at 6:23 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear members
> >>> NCSG EC members, NCUC members and NPOC leadership met in Dakar yesterday
> >>> with the ICANN Ombudsman acting as a neutral mediator.
> >>> The meeting focused on future practices for handling new membership
> >>> applications; there was and is no talk of undoing the election any more.
> >>> I think we identified some of the misunderstandings and process hiccups
> >>> that led to the initial problem and reached an agreement on how to
> >>> process membership applications in the future. I'll let Robin Gross, the
> >>> new NCSG Chair, fill you in on the details.
> >>>
> >>> Milton L. Mueller
> >>> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> >>> Internet Governance Project
> >>> http://blog.internetgovernance.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> IP JUSTICE
> >> Robin Gross, Executive Director
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
> > Member, Board of Directors, CECI, http://www.ceci.ca
> > Executive-in-residence, Schulich School of Business, www.schulich.yorku.ca
> > interim Vice Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, http://npoc.org/
> > O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824
> > Skype: alain.berranger
> >
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