NCUC elections for Chair and EC

[Alain Berranger]

regarding Bill Drake' statement:

*...NPOC (which also didn't have a rip roaring debate over the selection of
its people, .e.g. http://forum.icann.org/lists/npoc-voice/msg00012.html)...
*

Please note - as a new constituency perhaps not a surprise - that we have
clearly indicated that the current NPOC leadership is *interim* and that we
have an upcoming election in process... you have to start somewhere and the
current NPOC interim leadership is just that, a start... given the recent
state of affairs between the two constituencies and the continued
inappropriate tone and personal gang bashing used again by NCUC/NCSG
leadership in this current debate, our new members may not be that
interested in running for office and elect to stay away from this
sub-culture of aggressive personalized tone!

That said and having to witness NCUC dirty laundry washed in public (why
don't you please redevelop your own NCUC listserve and spare NPOC
membership such undignified tone of debate)... I find Avri's request quite
reasonable...

Alain

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> That email was followed up by Milton's email
>
> >
> > <http://mailman.ctyme.com/pipermail/ec-ncuc/2011-November/000121.html>
>  from Milton
> > Is it possible to call for volunteers before making any commitments?
>
> >
> > <http://mailman.ctyme.com/pipermail/ec-ncuc/2011-November/000122.html>
> from Konstantinos
> > Of course that goes without saying...apologies if I took that for
> granted.
> >
>
> That looked like an objection to me.  I know Milton now claims it was not.
>  But I saw Milton's 'objection' and then Konstantinos' response and
> expected outreach to the NCUC membership.  After a few days of waiting for
> that outreach, I wrote to Konstantinos, and after 4 days, without any
> intervening discussion on the NCUC EC list, got the message that the issue
> was closed.
>
> This is the series of events I beleive was problematic and was evidence of
> a lack of transparency and accountability.
>
> But I agree with you, in the future there should be open calls.  I
> personally think we need a process developed in NCUC for such transparency.
>  And I also think we need to select candidates for NCUC Chair and NCUC EC
> who commit to work in an open and transparent manner.
>
> BR,
>
> avri
>
>
>
> On 16 Nov 2011, at 06:06, William Drake wrote:
>
> > Hi Avri
> >
> > While I don't particularly want to get in the middle of an unduly
> personalized disagreement, I'd hate to leave any misimpressions linger, so
> just for the record:
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> >
> >> On 15 Nov 2011, at 11:42, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> >>
> >>> 2.       During that period, Avri and I were appointed to the first
> NCSG EC, and later Avri was agreed as Chair of the NCSG EC. Here is the key
> fact: The procedure we used to appoint Avri and I were EXACTLY THE SAME as
> those used to appoint the current NCUC appointees: namely, deliberations
> among the NCUC Executive Committee, which consists of regional reps elected
> by the membership. There is no difference in the procedures. So I can
> understand why Konstantinos feels hurt and incredulous about the current
> situation.
> >>>
> >> My point is that I see no evidence, or record in the archive of that
> discussion with the NCUC Executive Committee.  That is what I wanted to
> bring to light to make sure it never happened again.
> >
> > I really don't understand this assertion.  I'm not on the EC, but it's
> clear that KK did in fact write to them
> > http://mailman.ctyme.com/pipermail/ec-ncuc/2011-November/000119.htmland say:
> > I would like to propose the following people to represent us in the
> various NCSG committees:
> >
> > NCSG Executive Committee: Milton Mueller & Rafik Dammak
> > NCSG Policy Committee: Konstantinos Komaitis & Brenden Kuerbis
> > NCSG Finance Committee: Milton Mueller
> >
> > In case I don't hear any objections, I will send the new NCSG chair the
> final list.
> >
> > He proposed, and nobody objected, so voila.  We're all aware that
> agreement via non-contestation is not the most desirable basis for
> decisions, but it's hardly uncommon in CS coalitions of maxed out
> volunteers, including elsewhere in ICANN, e.g. ALAC and NPOC (which also
> didn't have a rip roaring debate over the selection of its people, .e.g.
> http://forum.icann.org/lists/npoc-voice/msg00012.html).  And as Milton
> noted, this is the same way the prior NCUC reps to NCSG bodies were
> selected, including you, so Konstantinos was just following precedent.
> >
> > Now that we're getting over transitional humps and we have people in
> place on the NCSG PC and EC (needed to consider membership applications
> promptly), going forward I'd prefer that there be an open call for
> nominations on the members list so anyone could throw their hat in the
> ring.  Whether it would be better to then have the NCUC EC do the selection
> or to make such posts elected alongside the chair and regional reps is
> something I suppose one could debate.  Certainly we should do whatever we
> can to improve transparency and participation in both constituencies and
> the SG.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>



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Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
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