NCUC elections for Chair and EC

[Avri Doria]

Dear Alex,

This is a very different issue where two people were yelling insults at each other, and making accusations.  That is the sort of personal problem that one keeps as private as possible and takes to the ombudsman when it goes beyond their ability to handle it.  I certainly did not want to broadcast the accusations made about you on a publicly archived list.

It is different than making decisions for a constituency without discussing it with the constituency or even on the constituency's executive committee publicly archived email list.

I am sorry you do not see the difference. But I do appreciate that you are reacting to a perceived impropriety of my making the lack of transparency in the Constituency a public issue and I think your loyalty is commendable.

Best Regards,

avri

On 14 Nov 2011, at 18:32, Alex Gakuru wrote:

> The point I am illustrating is that you made own personal decisions, without consulting and on this case did not ask me if it was ok or necessary to escalate the issue to the ombudsman or if I was agreeable to his office or any other mediator in the first place? I learnt to speak for and defend myself the hard way, thus would have appreciated if you made the decision after consultations - with all concerned parties. 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Dear Alex,
> 
> I copied you on the issue to the ombudsman.  And at the time, I thought I was defending you against accusations.
> In any case, I copied you.
> 
> I notice that you did not answer my questions.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> avri
> 
> On 14 Nov 2011, at 18:14, Alex Gakuru wrote:
> 
> > I could also ask you if you included me on all your decisions while NCSG Chair? Most recently, if you at least even consulted me before forwarding a mailing list discussion to the Ombudsman thus creating an official complaint record about me at ICANN?
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> > Does this mean you were included in all of Konstantinos decisions?
> >
> > I must say that I have read though all of the records of the NCUC EC archives and see no indication of discussions.  So I wonder how this was done. Please, for transparency's sake, explain it.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 14 Nov 2011, at 17:46, Alex Gakuru wrote:
> >
> > > Just for the record, as the elected NCUC-EC Africa representative never have I ever felt left out of collective NCUC decision making processes.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> > > Really, I have to strongly second what Robin says here. Avri, I am sorry you were not selected this time but that is no reason to divert everyone's attention by inventing another process problem.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf
> > > > Of Robin Gross
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:30 PM
> > > > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] NCUC elections for Chair and EC
> > > > Importance: High
> > > >
> > > > It seems you misunderstand those emails below.  I had asked the
> > > > constituency chairs to reconfirm appointments that had been made - about a
> > > > month ago to you - since I was creating a new email list and needed to be
> > > > sure I had the proper email addresses on the list.  I was not asking the
> > > > constituency chairs to open-up a decision that had been made a month ago
> > > > and potentially kick out new appointments that had been made a month ago
> > > > to the NCSG.   Sorry if you thought this was a new call for new appointments
> > > > and an opportunity to take one of those new appointments for yourself.   I
> > > > don't think it is fair to criticize Konstantinos for not selecting you for one of
> > > > the appointments since you had more than a year to do the job yourself
> > > > already.
> > > >
> > > > Robin
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
>