Results of the Chartering process

[Rosemary Sinclair]

So "commercial" consumer organisations being organisations who have commercial members even when their focus is consumer interests - for example ATUG has industry members but clear policy position that focuses on end user outcomes (and yes this IS possible in Australia!)

Sorry I've been so dense about this!

Cheers

Rosemary

Rosemary Sinclair
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-----Original Message-----
From: NCSG-NCUC [mailto:NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011 6:47 AM
To: NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Results of the Chartering process

Hi,

I agree with most of this note,  I would like to point out that there is nothing wrong in us helping the commercial actors in the Consumer area to find their way to the CSG.  Just as the CSG has leant a helping hand in the NCSG growth, I think it appropriate that we should now try to help them as much, not only to show our gratitude but also to allow them to experience the same benefits we have found in diversity.

a.


On 28 Jun 2011, at 16:12, mary.wong at law.unh.edu wrote:

> Hi - I support the concept of a CC in both the CSG and the NCSG. Not that it's NCSG business to push for one in the CSG, but the possibility should clear the way for a purely NC CC to be formed within the NCSG. If one does eventually form within the CSG, the two CCs could work together to advance a fuller consumer agenda and awareness. For now, the CC that could form within the NCSG will have to follow both the newly-approved constituency formation process AND abide by the new NCSG Charter (once formally approved by the NCSG membership).
>  
> On a possible Academic Constituency, Rosemary and I thought it would make sense given (1) the number of individuals that are academics and researchers who span a number of specialty areas, from technical to law to political science and who are already involved in NC issues; (2) the possibility that NCSG members can join more than one constituency; (3) the possibility that some academics and researchers may wish to be more closely associated with an Academic Constituency than any other and so choose to join that rather than, say, NCUC or CC; (4) the indications from the Board, Nom Com etc. that greater academic participation at ICANN is to be welcomed; and (5) the value that an Academic Constituency may be able to provide, in the form of papers, public comments and so on.
>  
> Rafik, since you were the NCSG Councilor the Board thought would be the one to reach out to the academic community, I'd be interested (like Rosemary) to hear your thoughts as I don't want to impose or tread on anyone's turf either.
>  
> Hope everyone who was in Singapore had a productive meeting and an enjoyable visit, and are safely home without suffering too much jet lag!
>  
> Mary
> 
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> From:	Avri Doria <avri at ACM.ORG>
> To:	<NCSG-NCUC-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
> Date:	6/28/2011 11:47 AM
> Subject:	Re: Results of the Chartering process
> Hi,
> 
> As I said in an earlier note, I am an advocate of there being two Consumer Constituencies - the NCSG-CC and CSG-CC.  The topic seems important enough and diverse enough to have both, just as we now have both an C and a NC constituencies that are predominantly concerned with IP.  The precedent for having both has been established at this point.
> 
> As for orgs such as INTUG, that could be handled by the commercial oriented groups having an observer role it the members of the NCSG-CC were interested.
> 
> I have copied the Consumer Constituency list since the issue concerns that list and not all of that list's members are on the NCSG list.
> 
> a.
> 
> 
> 
> On 28 Jun 2011, at 11:03, David Cake wrote:
> 
> > At 4:23 PM +0300 28/6/11, Alex Gakuru wrote:
> >> It would be very sad if we lost the true meaning of "consumer" to large/corporate users.
> > 
> > Whatever we call them, organisations like INTUG (that Rosemary was formerly Chair of) I think would be very valuable within ICANN, have a very valid role to play, and clearly are in support of the consumer agenda theough they represent mostly business users of telecomms not individuals. I fully support such organisations being represented within ICANN.
> > But as commercial users, while they have more in common in attitude with NCSG, they technically belong in CSG. Hence we have a problem - how is NCSG to support such organisation without admitting them as members?
> > I think working to a constructive solution to this issue would be more valuable than either ignoring the issue or moving ahead with a constituency strategy that doesn't take into acocunt some really valuable organisations.
> > Regards
> > David
> > 
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