4-20-2010 NCSG Meeting Minutes (DRAFT)

[Robin Gross]

Please Note:  This is a very rough DRAFT and subject to correction.   
Thank you!!  - Robin


4-20-2010 NCSG Meeting Minutes (DRAFT)

April NCSG Policy Discussion

Participants in Discussion:

Robin Gross, Avri Doria, William Drake, Wendy Seltzer, Alex Gakuru,  
Ron Wickersham, Desiree Miloshevic, Joly McFie, Tara Taubman, Mary Wong

Discussion Agenda & Minutes

I.  Review GNSO agenda items

  Item 2: GNSO Improvements

  2.1 OSC Communication & Coordination (CCT) WT Recommendations

  http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/cct-consolidated-report-final-09apr10- 
en.pdf

  https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions

NCSG objects to mandating “civility” in ICANN discussions, but OCS  
decided to include it in recommendation as we were alone in this  
objection.  But much of recommendations in WT report is useful, if  
obvious.  GNSO Counselors on call inclined to vote in favor of motion  
accepting report.

  2.2 OCS GNSO Council Operations WT Recommendations

https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions

No decisions to be taken?

  Item 3. whois

Do we vote for Budget on Whois studies?

Only worse choices will be made on whois at this point (given law  
enforcement push for more personal data), so delay on changes on  
whois is the best realistic option.  Delay on whois reform (going  
forward with studies) keeps the GAC come back from making even worse  
choices. Some studies might reveal useful information.  GNSO  
Counselors on call inclined to vote for studies motion.

  Item 4: Prioritization of GNSO work

  http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/wpmg-section-6-and-annex-09apr10-en.pdf

  https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions4.4.2

Seems to be overly complex and over-analyzing every issue and not  
really necessary. Some feel it is an unnecessary beaurocratization of  
volunteer counsel. GNSO Counselors may want to coordinate their votes  
for motion accepting work group report on prioritization effort.  May  
need to ask some questions about recommendations and understanding  
them before voting.



  6.3 Mike Rodenbaugh motion regarding the VeriSign .net Registry  
Services proposal for a Domain Name Exchange service

  https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions6.3.2

Motion has not been seconded by anyone in GNSO Counsel.

Actually not GNSO business, but registry service request project and  
issue doesn’t have to come to GNSO at all. Staff is doing  
implementation and not making policy here.

We may want to be concerned about what VeriSign is doing.

Not much support on GNSO Counsel for Mike’s motion so it probably  
goes no where in GNSO.



II.  ICM - Does the NCSg want to take a position

Some think we should recommend ICANN endorse the decision of  
independent review panel for accountability purposes. Not necessarily  
legally binding decision, but ICANN should follow its own  
proceedings.  Public needs to understand how decision was made by  
ICANN and why.  NCSG will write a quick paragraph or two statement on  
the issue.

GNSO Counsel is likely to look into the issue and may also take a  
position on an issue.



  III.  Issues from Working Groups and Working Teams



1. IDNG and meaning of “confusing similarity” for rejecting new  
domain names

Disagreement within GNSO on meaning of “confusingly similarity” for  
refusing new top-level domain names.  Does it include visual,  
meaning, sound, etc. similarity.  VeriSign want confusingly similar  
objections for themselves and want all meanings of confusingly  
similar.  Very expansive definition.  Also no way to appeal the  
initial evaluation on string confusion similarity under current DAG  
procedures.

Consumer expertise and trademark expertise would be useful for NCSG  
to develop a position on this issue.  Avri is in group and needs  
specialists to help and work with her.  Volunteers?

2. VI status

Milton and Avri participate in group for NCSG.  Five proposals have  
been drafted and an analysis framework for evaluating them.  Pressure  
from the board for GNSO to make decisions may move things forward.   
Avri will write a short statement for NCSG position on VI (what  
fundamental public interest issue



3. Council Operations

No decisions to be made?

4. Civil Society Statement regarding transparency and access to  
secret staff memos

Shortly after Nairobi, NCSG has agreed to text of statement asking  
for access to secret staff memos that involve public policy and  
Supporting Organization issues.  Still waiting for confirmation from  
ALAC that it agrees to text of statement (there seemed to be some  
indication of agreement in Nairobi from ALAC).  We will ask again and  
if we still get no response, NCSG will send statement as an NCSG  
statement on transparency.

  IV  Status of NCSG Charter process and review of charter

      https://st.icann.org/ncsg-ec/index.cgi?ncsg_proposed_charter

  Original draft open for comment and editing now.

“Interest Groups” as approved by NCSG Executive Committee are the sub- 
groups within NCSG (as opposed to constituencies).

Members are strongly encouraged to read and consider the draft NCSG  
charter, which was posted several weeks ago.  Schedule for editing,  
and accepting charter to meet Brussels deadline has been proposed and  
posted to list.  A new draft of charter will be prepared in the next  
few days.  Need for community review to be concluded before Brussels  
to meet deadline.

  V.  Meeting time sanity check

NCSG will keep existing meeting schedule between now and Brussels  
(June) since many already have it in their calendars.  But probably  
need to re-think the existing time for the meetings after Brussels to  
move meeting times around so equally inconvenient for all time-zones.

VI.  Other issues:

1.  Which “chat” client to use for NCSG meetings

Adobe works better for some members.  The NCSG website chat works  
better for other members.  Need to pull together a group of people to  
put NCSG on firm technical footing.

2.  Reminder.  These NCSG calls are recorded and transcribed and then  
posted to NCSG website available to members only.



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