<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Courier; font-size: 17px; ">Please Note: This is a very rough DRAFT and subject to correction. Thank you!! - Robin</span><br><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Courier" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 17px;"><br></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;text-align:center; mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>4-20-2010 NCSG Meeting Minutes (DRAFT)<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;text-align:center; mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>April NCSG Policy Discussion<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Participants in Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Robin Gross, Avri Doria, William Drake, Wendy Seltzer, Alex Gakuru, Ron Wickersham, Desiree Miloshevic, Joly McFie, Tara Taubman, Mary Wong<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><u>Discussion Agenda & Minutes<o:p></o:p></u></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>I.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Review GNSO agenda items</b></span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Item 2: GNSO Improvements </b></span><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>2.1 OSC Communication & Coordination (CCT) WT Recommendations<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/cct-consolidated-report-final-09apr10-en.pdf"><span style="color:windowtext">http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/cct-consolidated-report-final-09apr10-en.pdf</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><a href="https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions">https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">NCSG objects to mandating “civility” in ICANN discussions, but OCS decided to include it in recommendation as we were alone in this objection.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>But much of recommendations in WT report is useful, if obvious.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>GNSO Counselors on call inclined to vote in favor of motion accepting report. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>2.2 OCS GNSO Council Operations WT Recommendations<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><a href="https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions">https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">No decisions to be taken?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Item 3. whois<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Do we vote for Budget on Whois studies? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Only worse choices will be made on whois at this point (given law enforcement push for more personal data), so delay on changes on whois is the best realistic option.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Delay on whois reform (going forward with studies) keeps the GAC come back from making even worse choices. Some studies might reveal useful information.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>GNSO Counselors on call inclined to vote for studies motion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Item 4: Prioritization of GNSO work <o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/wpmg-section-6-and-annex-09apr10-en.pdf"><span style="color:windowtext">http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/wpmg-section-6-and-annex-09apr10-en.pdf</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><a href="https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions4.4.2">https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions4.4.2</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Seems to be overly complex and over-analyzing every issue and not really necessary. Some feel it is an unnecessary beaurocratization of volunteer counsel. GNSO Counselors may want to coordinate their votes for motion accepting work group report on prioritization effort. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>May need to ask some questions about recommendations and understanding them before voting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>6.3 Mike Rodenbaugh motion regarding the VeriSign .net Registry Services proposal for a Domain Name Exchange service<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><a href="https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions6.3.2">https://st.icann.org/gnso-council/index.cgi?21_april_motions6.3.2</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Motion has not been seconded by anyone in GNSO Counsel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Actually not GNSO business, but registry service request project and issue doesn’t have to come to GNSO at all. Staff is doing implementation and not making policy here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">We may want to be concerned about what VeriSign is doing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Not much support on GNSO Counsel for Mike’s motion so it probably goes no where in GNSO.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>II.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>ICM - Does the NCSg want to take a position<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Some think we should recommend ICANN endorse the decision of independent review panel for accountability purposes. Not necessarily legally binding decision, but ICANN should follow its own proceedings.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Public needs to understand how decision was made by ICANN and why.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>NCSG will write a quick paragraph or two statement on the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">GNSO Counsel is likely to look into the issue and may also take a position on an issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>III.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Issues from Working Groups and Working Teams<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>1. IDNG and meaning of “confusing similarity” for rejecting new domain names<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Disagreement within GNSO on meaning of “confusingly similarity” for refusing new top-level domain names.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Does it include visual, meaning, sound, etc. similarity.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>VeriSign want confusingly similar objections for themselves and want all meanings of confusingly similar.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Very expansive definition.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Also no way to appeal the initial evaluation on string confusion similarity under current DAG procedures.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Consumer expertise and trademark expertise would be useful for NCSG to develop a position on this issue.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Avri is in group and needs specialists to help and work with her.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Volunteers?<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>2. VI status<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Milton and Avri participate in group for NCSG.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Five proposals have been drafted and an analysis framework for evaluating them.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Pressure from the board for GNSO to make decisions may move things forward.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Avri will write a short statement for NCSG position on VI (what fundamental public interest issue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b> <o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>3. Council Operations<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">No decisions to be made?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>4. Civil Society Statement regarding transparency and access to secret staff memos<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Shortly after Nairobi, NCSG has agreed to text of statement asking for access to secret staff memos that involve public policy and Supporting Organization issues.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Still waiting for confirmation from ALAC that it agrees to text of statement (there seemed to be some indication of agreement in Nairobi from ALAC).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>We will ask again and if we still get no response, NCSG will send statement as an NCSG statement on transparency.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>IV<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Status of NCSG Charter process and review of charter<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><a href="https://st.icann.org/ncsg-ec/index.cgi?ncsg_proposed_charter">https://st.icann.org/ncsg-ec/index.cgi?ncsg_proposed_charter</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Original draft open for comment and editing now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">“Interest Groups” as approved by NCSG Executive Committee are the sub-groups within NCSG (as opposed to constituencies).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Members are strongly encouraged to read and consider the draft NCSG charter, which was posted several weeks ago.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Schedule for editing, and accepting charter to meet Brussels deadline has been proposed and posted to list. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>A new draft of charter will be prepared in the next few days.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Need for community review to be concluded before Brussels to meet deadline.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align: none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>V.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Meeting time sanity check<o:p></o:p></b></span></p> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">NCSG will keep existing meeting schedule between now and Brussels (June) since many already have it in their calendars.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>But probably need to re-think the existing time for the meetings after Brussels to move meeting times around so equally inconvenient for all time-zones.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>VI.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Other issues:<o:p></o:p></b></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b> <o:p></o:p></b></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>1.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Which “chat” client to use for NCSG meetings<o:p></o:p></b></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier">Adobe works better for some members.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>The NCSG website chat works better for other members.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Need to pull together a group of people to put NCSG on firm technical footing.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b>2.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Reminder.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>These NCSG calls are recorded and transcribed and then posted to NCSG website available to members only.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></b></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Courier" size="5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 17px;"><b><br></b></span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:Courier"><b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></b></span></div> <!--EndFragment--> </div></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>IP JUSTICE</div><div>Robin Gross, Executive Director</div><div>1192 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 USA</div><div>p: +1-415-553-6261 f: +1-415-462-6451</div><div>w: <a href="http://www.ipjustice.org">http://www.ipjustice.org</a> e: <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></body></html>