[Fwd: Re: [Ncu-exec] South America]

[Carlos A. Afonso]

I think the reason is we make a very poor use of online resources,
always recalling we do all this on a voluntary basis and in these
conditions the work already done is great.

But the fact is that the flow of information sharing and decisions taken
which happens in our lists is not reflected in the only space people
really visit -- our Web portal, which is now in an
information-monetizing space.

I personally strongly resist using any commercial "social networking"
space, which is no more than a data-mining monetizing concoction making
money on other people's information, and of course mostly these
information speculators are USA-based.

However, I understand that without a project (to be funded) to develop
our space in an autonomous way (using Drupal and the like, and not
having to donate our content to monetizers) and/or fund people to keep
information organized and updated in a regular way, there is not much
else we can do.

I am ready to help draft a project if some more people volunteer to help
and we could try and seek funds for it (could ISOC/PIR fund it?) -- if
people agree my suggestion (and my "weird" opinion on monetizers) makes
sense, of course.

frt rgds

--c.a.

Norbert Klein wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Avri's note encourages me to write again - somewhat in desperation,  because I 
> was obviously not able to say clearly enough that I am seriously concerned about 
> a POLITICAL problem, but I received basically some TECHNICAL information. And I 
> appreciate the time and technical skill that you, Brenden, dedicate - but this 
> did not touch on my concern.
>
> The NCUC has been under fire for all kinds of reasons, and one has been that 
> there is a kind of "inner circle" controlling affairs in a not transparent way. 
> We all know that this is NOT true.
>
> But I am concerned that such accusations might get new fuel, saying that the 
> process of candidates nominations is not transparent to the public, as the our 
> site is not easily readable when it comes to candidates, and the site 
> administration does not put up all info, but only what some people want to disclose.
>
>
> Just now, as I write, whoever goes to our site:
>
> http://ncdnhc.org/
>
> they will see on the first page only the *Annual Elections: View the call for 
> nominations *- but not the candidates.
>
> If somebody does not turn away disappointed, and looks even two levels under 
> *Resources* - where one normally would NOT expect the actual list of candidates 
> - there is the map. I think it is very impressive to see that the NCUC 
> candidates are spread out geographically,  but  this map shows only those  who 
> made use of the facility that *allows members who have been nominated* to put up 
> some more info. Correct. Though we are most happy to have a Latin American 
> candidate, and a very qualified one - the map does not clearly say that this is 
> only a selection of candidates - not the full list. By inference you can guess it.
>
> If somebody really wants to know *all nominations* - here it is:
>
>
> "The map below allows members who have been nominated for the 2009 Annual 
> Election to post more information about themselves. Click on an icon to learn 
> more about the member. Please *consult the NCUC listserv archive for all 
> nominations*."
>
>
> How? Where?
>
> This does not give the impression to be an invitation for a wide participation 
> in NCUC.
>
> Please try not to take all this as criticism - I know that the NCUC does not 
> have the financial resources others have (which I have felt enough over time), I 
> know that we live from the dedication of all of us cooperating.
>
> But please forgive me to lift up the voice of some  from the outside, from those 
> whom I want to motivate to participate in the "bottom-up" process, 
> inter-cultural, and whatever. "It is too complicated - I cannot find my way 
> around to understand how you are organized."
>
> I would like to be able to avoid having made people embarrassed because they are 
> not not - as they say - educated enough to follow a process which I claimed to 
> be not high-tech and Western culture centered.
>
> No, we should have, as soon as possible, *on the first page* of the 
> http://ncdnhc.org/ *a simple list of all nominations*, not depending on the 
> candidates editing the NCUC page, so that everybody can easily see where we are 
> in the election process.
>
>
>
> Norbert
>
> PS.: And I am now going to edit the map, as Brenden suggested, and add our 
> Brazilian candidate "Graciela Seliamen" - her name is actually "Graciela Selaimen."
>
>
> = =
>
> Avri Doria wrote:
> > hey, i know i am new around here, and on this list on suffereance,
> > but i wonder if someone doesn't have time to update the map, do the have the 
> > time ...
> > or is that just silly?
> >
> > a.
> >
> > On 11 Sep 2009, at 23:24, Brenden Kuerbis wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Norbert,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your explanation, it is a problem if nominees don't bother 
> >> updating the map.  I just edited the text based on your comments, and added 
> >> Horacio. I'll try to dig back through through the archives and add some more 
> >> nominees.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, I also shared the edit link with you so you can add some 
> >> nominees if you like.  If anyone else wants to help out, let me know and I'll 
> >> send you the link.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------
> >> Brenden Kuerbis
> >> Internet Governance Project
> >> http://internetgovernance.org
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Norbert Klein <nhklein at gmx.net> wrote:
> >> Robin Gross wrote:
> >>> Here's a suggestion for the South America Representative on the Executive 
> >>> Committee:  Graciela Seliamen of RITS in Brazil.
> >>>
> >>> She is an IGF MAG member now also.
> >>>
> >>> Robin
>
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