NCUC & NCSG diversity & participation

Sat Oct 10 09:54:01 CEST 2009

Hello Norbert,

You are perfectly reason. All debates on line are followed but I prepare an
ICT  event for next year in DR Congo. I am frequently in consultations and
all time in the working sessions with the various operators and actors . I
will forward to members more information as soon as the Web site will be
ready. I am and remain an active member, Norbert.
Daily diary push me to be all the time in moving.

Best regards

 Baudouin

2009/10/10 Norbert Klein <nhklein at gmx.net>

> Greetings, Baudouin,
> to Central Africa from Cambodia,
>
> this is just a mail to renew our memories - you wrote this two months
> ago, and there are so many urgent and important discussions going on
> relating to structures - but we have to say it time and again to the
> higher level ICANN strategists who want to impose monitoring and
> censorship on us ("Are you really active?"), living and working under
> difficult technological and economic constraints, that a new kind of
> "digital divide" would be imposed by such rules, though they seem to be
> "common sense and only technical." They are not.
>
>
> Norbert Klein
>
> =
>
> Baudouin SCHOMBE wrote:
> > I entirely subscribe to what Robin says. It is true that ICANN makes
> > much efforts for  participation of  actors of from developing
> > countries but should be avoided exclusion by taking account about
> > certain parameters which are justifying:  problem of connectivity,
> > linguistic diificulties,daily diary….to quote only these.
> >
> > We also have obligation to frequently share all information which we
> > receive with the various plate forme at the local level to collect
> > their point of view. And this process is too slow in our countries
> > where several  technical and economic factors situation do not allow a
> > good communicability.
> >
> > I still support financial aspect argumented by Robin. In fact, the
> > noncommercial users of the developing countries are not the needy ones
> > but are often complex situations which do not enable them to mobilize
> > sufficient funds to face on certain obligations. If all that must be
> > reasons for which the noncommercial users of the developing countries
> > are not entitled to the votes, but then it is where the crowned
> > principle of  democracy?
> >
> > Baudouin
> >
> > 2009/8/6 Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
> >
> >     I also have significant concerns about ICANN's plan to penalize
> >     noncommercial users who are not "active" in the GNSO with less
> >     representation.
> >
> >     When you vote in a democracy, you don't have to prove that you
> >     donated 100 hours of community service in order to be entitled to
> >     a vote, as ICANN proposes.  No, this is just another another
> >     mechanism to gate and minimize user participation and influence.
> >
> >     What about people in developing countries who can't get online and
> >     can't raise the funds to get to ICANN meetings or to be in a
> >     position to donate their time to ICANN?   They aren't entitled to
> >     a vote on Internet policy because they aren't "active" enough for
> >     ICANN?  What about the fact ICANN is mainly conducted in English?
> >      It seems non-English speakers who cannot "actively" participate
> >     don't deserve a vote either?
> >
> >     ICANN needs to understand it costs noncommercial organizations and
> >     individuals to participate at ICANN in ways that are unique to all
> >     other ICANN stakeholders.  There are significant bars to ICANN
> >     participation that ICANN cannot use to "gate" to representation of
> >     noncommercial users.  Not in a democratic institution accountable
> >     to the global public interest.
> >
> >     Robin
> >
> >
> >     On Aug 6, 2009, at 2:17 AM, William Drake wrote:
> >
> >>     Hi Adam,
> >>
> >>     I'm fine with restating openness to dialogue etc as you suggest.
> >>     Not that we haven't before.
> >>
> >>     Would like to pick up on one specific bit:
> >>
> >>     On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Adam Peake wrote:
> >>
> >>>     The NCUC does not have membership (or significant membership)
> >>>     from international consumer organizations (noted in many recent
> >>>     comments from the board and others as a missing constituent in
> >>>     all of ICANN), nor for the largest academic communities,
> >>>     libraries, R&D, etc.
> >>
> >>     This may well be "noted" by the board and others but it is
> >>     patently untrue http://ncuc.syr.edu/members.htm.   Just more
> >>     disinformation.  (BTW I also noted some on the transcript of the
> >>     ALAC call, e.g. Nick saying that the NCUC proposal does not allow
> >>     board approval of constituencies...facts don't matter if one
> >>     can't be bothered to learn them).
> >>
> >>     Which is not to say that it wouldn't be great to have more groups
> >>     with "consumer" in their title etc.
> >>
> >>     Perhaps this needs to be a larger, more focused discussion
> >>     sometime, but while I think of it it's worth mentioning that
> >>     there is also a claim in said circles that our members are not
> >>     all sufficiently active and hence our diversity is just on paper,
> >>     which in turn is supposed to allow for "capture" by a small
> >>     cabal.  This of course is held against us as well, and will be
> >>     relevant in the NCSG.  As you know, the staff's "Suggested
> >>     Additional Stakeholder Group Charter Elements to Ensure
> >>     Transparency, Openness, Fairness and Representativeness
> >>     Principles" hold, inter alia, that "It is important that the
> >>     Board and the community have the ability to determine what
> >>     parties comprise a particular GNSO structure and who participates
> >>     in an active way....[hence] Each GNSO structure should collect,
> >>     maintain, and publish active and inactive member names identified
> >>     by membership category (if applicable)"
> >>
> >>     I raised concerns about the reasoning and operational
> >>     implications of this on the last GNSO call, but they were pretty
> >>     much brushed aside.  So I guess in some unknown manner members
> >>     will have to show sufficient signs of life on a frequent enough
> >>     basis for staff to deem them active and consider their views to
> >>     "count" when constituencies state positions.  Oh, and meeting
> >>     attendance lists must be published and will be considered too.
> >>     At least, all this undoubtedly will apply to nomcomm
> >>     constituencies, business ones may get the usual pass from the
> >>     standards to which we're held.
> >>
> >>     And now I have to reply to the council list about this claim in
> >>     the SOI that we are "not yet sufficiently diverse or robust to
> >>     select all six"...sigh.  Pushing back on relentless disinfo does
> >>     get tiring...
> >>
> >>     Bill
> >
>
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