Hello Norbert,
<br><br>You are perfectly reason. All debates on line are followed but I prepare an
ICT event for next year in DR Congo.
I am frequently in consultations and all time in the working
sessions with the various operators and actors .
I will forward to members more information as soon as the Web site will be
ready.
I am and remain an active member, Norbert. <br>Daily diary push me to
be all the time in moving.
<br><br>Best regards<br><br> Baudouin<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/10 Norbert Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net">nhklein@gmx.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Greetings, Baudouin,<br>
to Central Africa from Cambodia,<br>
<br>
this is just a mail to renew our memories - you wrote this two months<br>
ago, and there are so many urgent and important discussions going on<br>
relating to structures - but we have to say it time and again to the<br>
higher level ICANN strategists who want to impose monitoring and<br>
censorship on us ("Are you really active?"), living and working under<br>
difficult technological and economic constraints, that a new kind of<br>
"digital divide" would be imposed by such rules, though they seem to be<br>
"common sense and only technical." They are not.<br>
<br>
<br>
Norbert Klein<br>
<br>
=<br>
<div class="im"><br>
Baudouin SCHOMBE wrote:<br>
> I entirely subscribe to what Robin says. It is true that ICANN makes<br>
> much efforts for participation of actors of from developing<br>
> countries but should be avoided exclusion by taking account about<br>
> certain parameters which are justifying: problem of connectivity,<br>
> linguistic diificulties,daily diary….to quote only these.<br>
><br>
> We also have obligation to frequently share all information which we<br>
> receive with the various plate forme at the local level to collect<br>
> their point of view. And this process is too slow in our countries<br>
> where several technical and economic factors situation do not allow a<br>
> good communicability.<br>
><br>
> I still support financial aspect argumented by Robin. In fact, the<br>
> noncommercial users of the developing countries are not the needy ones<br>
> but are often complex situations which do not enable them to mobilize<br>
> sufficient funds to face on certain obligations. If all that must be<br>
> reasons for which the noncommercial users of the developing countries<br>
> are not entitled to the votes, but then it is where the crowned<br>
> principle of democracy?<br>
><br>
> Baudouin<br>
><br>
</div>> 2009/8/6 Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>><br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">><br>
> I also have significant concerns about ICANN's plan to penalize<br>
> noncommercial users who are not "active" in the GNSO with less<br>
> representation.<br>
><br>
> When you vote in a democracy, you don't have to prove that you<br>
> donated 100 hours of community service in order to be entitled to<br>
> a vote, as ICANN proposes. No, this is just another another<br>
> mechanism to gate and minimize user participation and influence.<br>
><br>
> What about people in developing countries who can't get online and<br>
> can't raise the funds to get to ICANN meetings or to be in a<br>
> position to donate their time to ICANN? They aren't entitled to<br>
> a vote on Internet policy because they aren't "active" enough for<br>
> ICANN? What about the fact ICANN is mainly conducted in English?<br>
> It seems non-English speakers who cannot "actively" participate<br>
> don't deserve a vote either?<br>
><br>
> ICANN needs to understand it costs noncommercial organizations and<br>
> individuals to participate at ICANN in ways that are unique to all<br>
> other ICANN stakeholders. There are significant bars to ICANN<br>
> participation that ICANN cannot use to "gate" to representation of<br>
> noncommercial users. Not in a democratic institution accountable<br>
> to the global public interest.<br>
><br>
> Robin<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 2:17 AM, William Drake wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi Adam,<br>
>><br>
>> I'm fine with restating openness to dialogue etc as you suggest.<br>
>> Not that we haven't before.<br>
>><br>
>> Would like to pick up on one specific bit:<br>
>><br>
>> On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Adam Peake wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> The NCUC does not have membership (or significant membership)<br>
>>> from international consumer organizations (noted in many recent<br>
>>> comments from the board and others as a missing constituent in<br>
>>> all of ICANN), nor for the largest academic communities,<br>
>>> libraries, R&D, etc.<br>
>><br>
>> This may well be "noted" by the board and others but it is<br>
>> patently untrue <a href="http://ncuc.syr.edu/members.htm" target="_blank">http://ncuc.syr.edu/members.htm</a>. Just more<br>
>> disinformation. (BTW I also noted some on the transcript of the<br>
>> ALAC call, e.g. Nick saying that the NCUC proposal does not allow<br>
>> board approval of constituencies...facts don't matter if one<br>
>> can't be bothered to learn them).<br>
>><br>
>> Which is not to say that it wouldn't be great to have more groups<br>
>> with "consumer" in their title etc.<br>
>><br>
>> Perhaps this needs to be a larger, more focused discussion<br>
>> sometime, but while I think of it it's worth mentioning that<br>
>> there is also a claim in said circles that our members are not<br>
>> all sufficiently active and hence our diversity is just on paper,<br>
>> which in turn is supposed to allow for "capture" by a small<br>
>> cabal. This of course is held against us as well, and will be<br>
>> relevant in the NCSG. As you know, the staff's "Suggested<br>
>> Additional Stakeholder Group Charter Elements to Ensure<br>
>> Transparency, Openness, Fairness and Representativeness<br>
>> Principles" hold, inter alia, that "It is important that the<br>
>> Board and the community have the ability to determine what<br>
>> parties comprise a particular GNSO structure and who participates<br>
>> in an active way....[hence] Each GNSO structure should collect,<br>
>> maintain, and publish active and inactive member names identified<br>
>> by membership category (if applicable)"<br>
>><br>
>> I raised concerns about the reasoning and operational<br>
>> implications of this on the last GNSO call, but they were pretty<br>
>> much brushed aside. So I guess in some unknown manner members<br>
>> will have to show sufficient signs of life on a frequent enough<br>
>> basis for staff to deem them active and consider their views to<br>
>> "count" when constituencies state positions. Oh, and meeting<br>
>> attendance lists must be published and will be considered too.<br>
>> At least, all this undoubtedly will apply to nomcomm<br>
>> constituencies, business ones may get the usual pass from the<br>
>> standards to which we're held.<br>
>><br>
>> And now I have to reply to the council list about this claim in<br>
>> the SOI that we are "not yet sufficiently diverse or robust to<br>
>> select all six"...sigh. Pushing back on relentless disinfo does<br>
>> get tiring...<br>
>><br>
>> Bill<br>
><br>
<br>
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