EC deliberations on WGIG nominations

[Marc Schneiders]

I agree that people from RIR's being put forward as reps feels like
"incest". (Please do note the quotation marks.) I do NOT support
Adam's attitude, since I do not understand it. Or if I do, I do not
support it at all and wouldn't think it worth the trouble to even
reply.

I understand it is nearly impossible to find "independent" people. The
RIR's are pretty independent. So I see no real problem. I would have
loved though, to see someone from an ISP among those on the list.
Perhaps people working for ISP's cannot as easily commit time to the
WSIS process as those working for RIR's? Then that is it, no?

I continue to support the list as is.

Marc

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, at 10:39 [=GMT-0400], Milton Mueller wrote:

> Adam:
>
> The fairly weak nature of your objections I will deal with
> below:
>
> >>> Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> 9/7/2004 4:14:08 AM >>>
> >You didn't know you were discussing AFRINIC's
> >Executive Director?  Bizarre.
>
> Yes, I did know that. I reviewed his complete proposal
> for Afrinic. I used vague language describing him to others,
> is it important, is it even relevant?
>
> > (Senior staff of 3
> >RIRs.  Great people, unusual concentration.)
>
> I myself raised this issue twice: once on the public list,
> once in the EC conversation. I don't like it. That is
> one reason why we considered Kilnam Chon so long and
> hard.
>
> On the other hand, anyone familiar with the situation
> in developing countries knows that people from these
> regions who are expert and informed about technical
> and policy matters are extremely scarce and valuable
> and hence are quickly incorporated into the two key
> forms of local Internet governance: ccTLDs and RIRs.
> Additionally, the names of Raul and Adiel were put into
> nomination by our own members from those regions. Given
> the available alternatives, we thought we made the best
> choice. And this objection is rather strange coming from
> you, because you yourself were pushing Paul Wilson
> in other venues.
>
> >And what a shame you couldn't agree on nominating
> >a chap who will be stuck in hospital until the
> >working group's half over
>
> This is just pure sarcasm, and indicates that you have
> little to contribute to the discussion. We *did* agree not
> to nominate Chon for health reasons, so what is your
> point in bringing this up?
>
> >Did you do any research on these people?  Bother
> >even to read Robin's not about Marco Cappato?
>
> Yes, of course we did. Why would you question
> whether we read Robin's note about Marco? Also
> the record shows that Iliya is still soliciting European
> opinion about Cappato.
>
> >I appreciate that you were undertaking a pretty
> >thankless and hard task.  But someone should have
> >put more thought into it.
>
> For those who know the complete background, the
> source of your negative attitude is clear, and it isn't
> "the amount of thought" that was put into it.
>
> Overall, you have raised one significant issue:
> the concentration of RIR people on the list. If
> other members think this is a problem, speak up. If other
> members wish to explicitly support those choices,
> please speak up as well.
>
> --MM
>