[ncdnhc-discuss] ICANN Reform: Role of ITU

[jefsey]

Michael,
ICANN actually delegates nothing.

There are two ways of understanding the DNS, depending if you want :
- to control the Internet as a subsystem of the international-network - à 
la Jon Postel
- to serve the worldwide TCP/IP networks namespace - as ICANN should do.
(the ICANN wants to control the worldwide namespace: too much for them)

To "delegate" (control style) and to "register" (service style) mean 
"writing a name, the name server knowing about its sub.names and the IP of 
that name server in a DNS file".

If that name includes no dot it is a TLD. If it includes on dot, it is an 
SLD, etc. When loading a DNS server one call that files in sequence. The 
first called (which therefore will be everywhere) is the root. But there 
may be many more. I currently support in France - nationwide, with seven 
ISPs - 7000 TLDs. As you may have noted the French fun is not on the nets 
but in the polls.


As Kent Crispin explained it, managing the DNS is not a complex thing. 
There is absolutely nothing to do. In case of collision the users would 
make both Managers to quickly find a solution, so no one will try it. I 
certainly can do all the ICANN work on my spare time (I actually did it for 
8 years).


What is complex, as Kent explained it, is to *make believe* the ICANN is 
needed. Hence :

- that joke about contracts. No ccTLD will sign them, but they give the 
feeling the ICANN is important.
- that distingo between "chartered", "specialized" etc.. TLDs to make you 
use their words
- the delay in signing TLDs to make believe it is complex
- the .org divestiture: asking the DNSO, making Milton work so they might 
show their "power" n disregarding his work..
- that fuss about IANA entries. So the ccTLDs dispute it, instead of 
creating their own root.
- ".biz" : without their NeuLevel would have joined forces with Leah, and 
would make money now..
- Daves and Kents only joy in life: that hoax. Making you waste your time 
so you believe it is important.
- ICP-3: the rationale "people are too stupid to cope with 310 TLDs, but 
are OK with 257".
- the leftist crusade against "profit making" New.net
- the joke about ".eu" and the ISO 3166 and about ".un" etc...
- the best trick: to make people to pay the ICANN TLD application fee to 
convince them that the ICANN has some authority!
- the best best trick: to try to make the Govs to pay the ICANN to convince 
them that the ICANN is of any use.
- etc. etc.

Show me only one thing that could not have been better organized without 
the ICANN....; or faster, or cheaper.

They enjoy the fun with our time and money. I am not sure we do.
jfc

On 19:23 02/05/02, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law said:

>I think the anology breaks down at the end.
>
>ICANN does not assign IP#s.  It (arguably) delegates the assignments to
>RIRs. (Arguably, since they pre-date it and ICANN has almost no numbers to
>give, it doesn't actually do anything except collect fees for preventing
>too many new RIRs from springing up and competing with the incumbents.)
>
>And, last I heard, ICANN does not assign domain names.  It delegates the
>assignments to registries.
>
>One could say that ICANN assigns gTLDs.  This should end. It should
>delegate the power to make assignments something like it does for IP#s.
>
>
>
>On Thu, 2 May 2002, Hill, Richard wrote:
>
> > With reference to ITU, Marc Schneiders has written: "You do not let an 
> organization in the hands of bicycle sellers set rules about the use of cars."
> > I'm not sure how to compare cars and bicycles with telecommunications.
> > But I do know that most of the physical infrastructre on which the 
> Internet runs is built and operated on the basis of ITU-T 
> Recommendations.  For example, most PKI infrastructures are based on 
> X.509.  And the "local loop" that still provides most of the "last mile" 
> connectivity for most people is based on ITU-T Recommendations.  Etc.
> > In terms of physical analogies, I suppose that it might be more 
> appropriate to compare telecommunications with the road system.  If that 
> analogy is valid, most of the "roads" are built and operated on the basis 
> of ITU-T Recommendations.  "Cars" (packets) are build and operated on the 
> basis of IETF RFCs.  "License plate numbers" for some types of traffic 
> are coordinated by ITU-T (phone numbers), "license plate numbers" for 
> other types of traffic are assigned by ICANN (IP addresses and domain names).
> > Best,
> > Richard
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Richard Hill
> > Counsellor, SG2
> > International Telecommunication Union
> > Place des Nations
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> > Switzerland
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> > FAX: +41 22 730 5853
> > Email: richard.hill at itu.int
> > Study Group 2 email: tsbsg2 at itu.int
> >
> >
> >
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