[ncdnhc-discuss] Payment

[Milton Mueller]

Carlos:
One thing I hope you and everybody here understands:
Not to pay DOES mean "no vote" for the NCDNHC as 
a whole. The DNSO is demanding $15,000 from us. The
only way we have to raise it is through membership dues.
So if we don't receive any dues, we will get no vote in the Names
Council. Even if the constituency allows everyone to keep
voting in NCDNHC business, it won't matter because we
won't have any voice in the Names Council.

--MM


>>> Carlos Vera <cvera at interactive.net.ec> 01/10/02 07:12AM >>>
If it is difficult to pay 25 because there is no money or ways to do...So
put in an account  8 years of payment? In countries like Ecuador you need AT
LEAST $1000 to open an account and to MOVE the money for $500 in average
every month... or you must pay 1% for commission..

To open an account it's not a good Idea in our countries.

No international credit cards for all. So we need to have some mix of
solutions

My suggestion is:

1. You can pay 25 in cash if sometime you go to any Icann meeting (another
problem because in developing countries you have no money to travel), but
sometimes several of us go to Icann meeting so we can pay there.

2.Pay with credit card who have a credit card.

3. Get some fellow from developed countries to replace the payment of
developing countries. (You do this in organizations like ISOC)

4. Pay with services. For example do some task, help with something..

What MUST BE CLEAR is that NOT TO PAY MUST NO MEAN NO VOTE or no
participation at all.

Carlos Vera Quintana


Jeff Williams wrote:

> Kathy and all,
>
> KathrynKL at aol.com wrote:
>
> >   This payment situation is troubling.  The intent was never, of
> > course, to
> > make anyone pay for banking transfers, wire transfers, etc (with their
> >
> > overhead of $50-$75).   I have checked with ACM, which provides
> > discounted
> > fees to members in developing countries, and most people use credit
> > cards.
>
>   Indeed it is troubling but unnecessarily so.  There are several
> methods
> to do wire transfers without incurring such high fees for international
> transfers in mow countries.  One method that I use regularly is
> to set yourself up a Treasury ADR account with a small amount of
> money in it (say $200.00 US or so other currencies of course
> that are exchange currencies are of course welcome.  For europeans
> I would suggest using the now preferred Euro).  You can contact
> your local embassy or if you are a US citizen living abroad as well
> as a non-us citizen, you may contact the treasury representative,
> or commerce representative to effect this.  Than transfers of this
> sort to recognized international banks and accounts can be effected
> for a nominal fee ( 3 - 15 $ US in every case that I am aware of )
> Another method is a international brokerage account, which I also
> use frequently as well.  Again you will need to establish this account
> and minimums vary from as little as $200.00 US or equivalent to
> $10,000.00 depending of the firm's requirements.
>
> >
> >
> > We now have representatives from many countries attending our NCC and
> > the
> > ICANN meetings worldwide.  I assume that everyone is using credit
> > cards for
> > the airline tickets, hotel payments, etc.
>
>   I doubt that everyone or even a majority of those outside the US are
> using credit cards for their expenses, Kathy.
>
> >  Is it possible for an individual
> > member to receive the $25. in local funds, and then go ahead and pay
> > the fee
> > on a personal credit card?
>
>   It should be if there is a Transit and account number as well as a
> address.
>
> >  Another option might be travelers checks in US
> > currency.  Possible?
>
>   Yes this should be possible in most countries.
>
> >
> >
> > Since everyone seems to believe that the $25.00 is doable, then this
> > is a
> > logistical problem I am sure we can solve.
>
>   See some solutions I mentioned above.  Travelers checks are also
> a good option as well and are expectable in most countries.
>
>   Personal Note of Interest:  I am amazed that vany or any other
> international traveler with a passport does not have much of this
> information memorized and knows the different ways in which this
> can be accomplished at a very low cost!
>
> >
> >
> > regards, kathy kleiman
> > acm-igp
> >
> >
> > > For many people in developing countries are expensive to be able to
> > send
> > > $25.00 in a timely manner.
> > >
> > > A banking transfer can cost from $50.00-$75.00 plus the amount to
> > send
> > > which, in this case is $25.00.
> > > A wire transfer also can cost from $25.00.
> > >
> > > Credit Card (Visa, Master Card, American Express...) is more
> > feasible.
> > > However, still there will be some that are not able to make payment
> > by
> > > credit card because are not international, or because simply they
> > don't
> > > have credit card.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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