[ncdnhc-discuss] Payment

Thu Jan 10 07:25:42 CET 2002

Special situation like today's Argentina, may be handled explicitely by
Adcom decision.
But it does not seems that the rest of the world is in the same currency
situation as Argentina. 
Dany

ozk at fibertel.com.ar wrote:
> 
> My friends:
>         My name is Gabriel Piñeiro, and Im representing the MINU in the NCDNHC, an
> organization from Argentina. Since early December, we have big economic
> problems (beside others of public knowledge): we can't pay anything overseas
> (not even with credit cards). I explain a little what happen; our current
> money is almost on "extinction" (the peso) because our frozen economy, so
> our Government have a "wonderful" idea: print some cancellation notes that
> are like the ones you use in the "Monopoly" game, with a very LOW value
> because the facials of them are a joke, they are almost useless, and beside
> other "lovely" characteristics, it's impossible to exchange those
> cancellation notes (not are NOT real money!) for American dollars.
> 
>         Even if you are lucky enough to have pesos (the local currency), you cant
> trade them: banks doesnt exchange dollars since December 20! And even if
> you are more lucky, and have dollars in your bank account, guess what? You
> cant transfer money outside the country (even with the banks open). You can
> t even pay with credit cards (even I have to pay some domains and hosting
> soon and I don't know whats going to happen, so Im almost crazy): they
> reject even the platinum cards!!! And also if you are the luckiest man on
> earth and you have the dollars in your pocket, theres no way to send them:
> as I said, overseas transactions are forbidden (and in some cases, you cant
> even transfer money!!!).
> 
>         So, finishing this brief & quick explanation, I can't pay the NCDNHC fee.
> So I agree with Vany and Carlos statements; give (at least) the
> organizations of the under developed countries more time to pay or, even
> better, "forgive" the fee because (at least in our case), because from a day
> to another, politic and economic instability (in 2 weeks we have 5 different
> Presidents and a devaluation of 40% when we have previously ten years of
> economic stability) make impossible to plan any expenses (and even if you
> could pay, you cannot do that); and only God knows whats going to happen
> here. Even in normal situations, at least in my country, the costs of
> sending the money are VERY high. So I hope the Board and the members
> understand our particular situation and, of course, the general situation of
> the underdeveloped countries organizations. Well, best wishes to all of you,
> 
> Gabriel Piñeiro (from www.minu.org)
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: discuss-admin at icann-ncc.org [mailto:discuss-admin at icann-ncc.org]En
> nombre de Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales
> Enviado el: Martes, 08 de Enero de 2002 01:55 p.m.
> Para: discuss at icann-ncc.org
> CC: Carlos Vera
> Asunto: Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] Payment
> 
> Hi Carlos and all:
> 
> Agree with all you are saying here.
> 
> For many people in developing countries are expensive to be able to send
> $25.00 in a timely manner.
> 
> A banking transfer can cost from $50.00-$75.00 plus the amount to send
> which, in this case is $25.00.
> A wire transfer also can cost from $25.00.
> 
> Credit Card (Visa, Master Card, American Express...) is more feasible.
> However, still there will be some that are not able to make payment by
> credit card because are not international, or because simply they don't
> have credit card.
> 
> Even to send a money order (here in Panama is cheap, in other countries
> this is expensive too), unreliable postal mail system can make that such
> money order lost or arrives later than expected.
> 
> Also political and economical situations in some countries (as the
> actual situation in Argentina) makes unfeasible to send any
> funds to other country, regardless the aumount.
> 
> I propose that until we don't have several systems to be able to send a
> payment in a timely manner and costless or low cost manner and  until a
> solution for the problem of payment is not found, that membership
> resolution not be fully implemented.
> 
> Implementing the membership resolution right now in the actual
> conditions, would be a damage for organizations
> in Developing Countries because they will be not able to vote.
> 
> Best Regards
> Vany
> 
> Carlos Vera wrote:
> >
> > By biw, almost all developing countries have problems trying to pay for
> > the anual fee.
> >
> > I would like to know if there is a simple way to pay the 25 dollars and
> > also ask to permit for voting to those members that can no pay for
> > different reasons.
> >
> > We are non commercial and need this group alive and 25 USD is not enough
> > price to silent us.
> >
> > Hope some answer from board and comments from members.
> >
> > CTIT UPADI
> >
> > Carlos Vera Quintana
> > President
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Discuss at icann-ncc.org
> > http://www.icann-ncc.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> --
> Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales, BSEE
> Information Technology Specialist
> Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
> Member of the ICANN's DNSO Non-Commercial Constituency
> Tel: (507) 317-0169
> http://www.sdnp.org.pa
> e-mail:  vany at sdnp.org.pa
> 
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