[ncdnhc-discuss] Election results! NOT TRUSTED

Thu Feb 28 05:11:15 CET 2002

Thanks, Adam, for the information from the time when you administered the
list. I think your proposal to solve the open question is based on a good
common sense suggestion and I hope it will find general acceptance - especially
from the prsons most concerned.

Norbert
Open Forum of Cambodia

==

> Dany, it seems Pablo Allietti should not have been excluded from the 
> voting list. Instituto Nacional de Investigacion Agropecuaria has 
> been a member since February 4, 2000 and he has been their 
> representative for as long as I remember (i.e. since I maintained the 
> member list, some time ago.)
> 
> A runoff would, I think, be fairest way to resolve this, unless, of 
> course, either you or Erick wish to withdraw.
> 
> Proposal:
> 
> Only those who cast votes in the first stage of the election will be 
> eligible to vote.  (Those of us who did not vote last week, or 
> whenever it was, do not get to vote in the runoff.)
> 
> Dany and Erick are given 3 days (from some date set by the Adcom) to 
> produce a 500 word (maximum) statement.
> 
> These statements sent to voters with the ballot, straight up and 
> down, Erick or Dany. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Milton Mueller wrote:
> >>
> >>  Here are the results of the NCDNH Constituency vote.
> >>  A complete, statistical report will be sent to the
> >>  constituency by the election operator (Elisabeth
> >>  Porteneuve) tomorrow (Feb. 27).
> >>
> >>  1. All resolutions were ratified by substantial margins
> >>
> >>  2. New Adcom:
> >>     Eung Hwi CHUN, AP
> >>     Dany Vandromme, EU
> >>     Harold Feld, NA
> >>     Thierry Amoussoubgo, AF
> >>     Erick Iriarte, LAC
> >>
> >>  3. New Names Council members:
> >>     Eung Hwi CHUN, AP - 18 votes
> >>     Harold Feld, NA  - 10 votes
> >>
> >>     Tie:
> >  >    Erick Iriarte, LAC - 5 votes
> >>     (note: includes INIA vote)
> >>     Dany Vandromme, EU - 5 votes
> >>
> >>  4. We have two options:
> >>     a. One of the two tied candidates can withdraw, if
> >>        they wish to concede to the other. Of course,
> >>        both candidates have every right to remain if
> >>        they choose.
> >>     b. We can hold a runoff election between these two
> >>        candidates.
> >>
> >>     So, Dany, Erick, please indicate your intention
> >>  and if necessary we will proceed with a direct runoff
> >>  between Dany Vandromme and Erick Iriarte. We need to
> >>  hear from you by Friday.
> >>
> >-
> >Milton and others:
> >
> >This election has been a complet failure.
> >It is the first time in my life I see a vote, with the voting list not
> >closed before the start of the vote, the closing date not respected, and
> >the voting officers including votes not supported by a ballot. The vote
> >results should have been posted as planned on Feb 23th. They were not,
> >because the voting rules were not fully understood by the voting
> >officers, nor by voters.
> >Membership list were supposed closed from Friday 8th. From that, the
> >draft voting list was produced on thursday, but none of the voting
> >officer did check and close it prior the vote start.
> >
> >A tie vote, which is not part of the established voting rules, with an
> >undefined voting list would not produce the same result for the last NC
> >rep, since emanating from a different distribution of voters, with
> >different rationale for voting.
> >
> >The vote are so clear to everyone that we see now members, voting for
> >the tie, before that the vote has been organized and opened:
>
>======================================================================================
> >Subject: [ncdnhc-adcom] Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Ballot 
> >Not received]
> >Date:    Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:30:26 -0500
> >From:    Pablo Allietti <pabloa at inia.org.uy>
> >Organization:  INIA La Estanzuela
> >To:      YJ Park <yjpark at myepark.com>
> >CC:      Elisabeth Porteneuve <Elisabeth.Porteneuve at cetp.ipsl.fr>,
> >          vany_martinez at yahoo.com, vany at sdnp.org.pa,
> >          Milton Mueller <mueller at syracuse.edu>, raul at inia.org.uy,
> >          adcom at icann-ncc.org
> >References: 1 , 2
> >
> >YJ Park wrote:
> >>
> >
> >I Vote for Erick Iriarte.
> >Thnk you for your kind attention.
> >Pablo Allietti
> >
> >>  Pabloa,
> >>
> >>  _______________________________________________
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> >>  Discuss at icann-ncc.org
> >>  http://www.icann-ncc.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>========================================================================================
> >
> >I do not want to participate to this system. The constituency is going
> >nowhere with such a lack of formalism and rules, except to be completely
> >disfranchised within the DNSO and the ICANN.
> >Once more, the adcom has proved to be unable to manage the constituency.
> >As adcom member, I tried to keep the vote on the right track at the
> >begining, to fix a first failure of the voting officers before the
> >start. As candidate, I was not in a position to do anything else, except
> >observing what was going on. Too much for me!
> >
> >I have no trust anymore in this vote process and I am not going to
> >support it by participating to the second round, and I will not
> >participate to this non-trusted adcom (not because of candidates, but
> >because the election process).
> >
> >I let Erik Iriarte to appreciate the situation for himself.
> >
> >Dany
> >
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