[ncdnhc-discuss] One suggestion for .ORG TF participant!

[James Love]

Kent,

I would like the ICANN staff to spell out the details that would satisfy its
legitimate concerns regarding the quality control issue, and offer something
that would work, within the context of the NC proposal.   I have expressed
flexibility on this, including the notion that the ICANN staff could even
select the actual operator itself, wholly apart from the process of
selecting the non-profit (although I don't think this is the only or
necessarily the best way to do this, but it isn't out of the question
either).

The NC report is a DNSO requirement that the bid go to a non-profit
organization.   The ICANN staff has concerns about the qualifications of
operators.  (some) Domain name holders have concerns over the
anticompetitive characteristics of the bidding process.   I think each and
ever one of these concerns can be addressed, or just as likely, only some
will be addressed.

I have always assumed that you and Dave have in the past sought to protect
the domain name owners from monopolistic practices by registries, such as
netsol, and I appreciate this, as a domain name holder.  I would like the
.org bid to be designed to protect the .org domain holders from abusive
practices by the next registry.  The non-profits are not going to run the
registry themselves, they will pick an operator.  The question is, will the
operator really be controlling the non-profit, because it funded the cost of
submitting the bid?   Will the non-profit have much bargaining power with
the operator, if it negotiates before the 1st round award is made?  I don't
think the non-profit will have any real bagaining power in the current
staff/board proposal, and I think this hurts me, as a .org domain name
holder.

Iif the ICANN staff won't help flesh out a plan that will work, and just
keeps complaining about my proposals, we will end up with something that
looks a lot like what happened in the new TLD round, but with more cynicism
among the bidders.    I am a weak party in these discussions.   You guys
have all the cards.

Jamie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Crispin" <kent at songbird.com>
To: <discuss at icann-ncc.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] One suggestion for .ORG TF participant!


> On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:15:21PM -0400, James Love wrote:
> > Ok Kent.  Fine.  Require the non-profits to put up $35 thousand dollars
to
> > entry the .org lottery, knowing that this will be a beauty contest,
decided
> > by the board. Then be real suprised when nearly ever bid is some deal
> > where an operator is putting up the money, that the .org domain holders
> > don't benefit from real cometition among operators.....  And give it to
the
> > non-profit with the most friends on the board, or whatever....     You
guys
> > have the votes, you have the staff, etc...... do what you want.
> > Jamie
>
> I'm sorry, but that's a bit "over the top" -- you must be responding to
> some inner demon.
>
> The fact is that the idea of separating the operator and sponsor bids
> has been around for a very long time.  It (and multiple variations) was
> proposed before the terms "operator" and "sponsor" were in vogue, before
> there even was an ICANN.  It's possibly a good idea, but like almost all
> these ideas, there are very complex pros and cons.
>
> My note was simply to point out some of those.  I could just as easily
> argue your side of the case -- in fact, if someone had the patience they
> could probably dig through old list archives and find places where I
> *have* argued your side.  At this point I'm completely neutral --
> whether it is a good idea or not really seems to me to depend on
> details, facts, and probabilities that are not known, and may not be
> knowable.
>
> To summarize: this really is an area where "the devil is in the
> details".  To be useful, the discussion must deal with details.
>
> Kent
>
> --
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> Technical Support Manager, ICANN            lonesome."
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