[ncdnhc-discuss] Resolution on ORG Divestiture

[hans.klein at pubpolicy.gatech.edu]

George,

I find this a surprisingly pessimistic assessment.  I think Milton works 
ceaselessly on NCC business and generally does a very good job of it.  I 
also think hard work and commitment are an essential aspect of a successful 
coalition.

I also disagree with the assessment that this constituency lacks 
legitimacy.  I am pretty impressed by the quality of due process exhibited 
here.

My relative silence on this list can definitely be interpreted as assent!

Hans




At 08:53 PM 10/25/2001 -0400, George Sadowsky wrote:
>Milton,
>
>I believe that there are a significant number of lurkers on this list who 
>generally say little, if anything at all.  That's why this electronic 
>conversation looks like a small group discussion from the outside, with 
>the same few people participating.
>
>I think you may mistake silence for acquiescence.  That's often a 
>convenient thing to do if it's your point of view that you assume is being 
>acquiesced to.
>
>Silence can also be observed on the part of the 99.99% of not-for-profit 
>organizations, potential members of the constituency, who either do not 
>know about this list or consider it not worth their attention.  It's an 
>incredible stretch from the very beginning to assert that NCDNHC has any 
>legitimate standing whatsoever with respect to this constituency.  I am 
>sure that the ICANN Board is quite aware of this; do you think about this 
>from time to time?
>
>I do not represent any member of NCDNHC, although I enrolled my former 
>employer, New York University, several years ago before really 
>understanding what the potential output of this group could be.
>
>As a lurker, my own silence has meant an unwillingness to get involved in 
>discussions that I thought were relatively meaningless, a defensive kind 
>of silence, to be aware if this group was going to do any significant harm 
>to anything I valued.  My few interventions left me with the feeling that 
>I was not adding anything in the way of progress, and I was better off as 
>a lurker.
>
>What I observe recently is a disregard for dealing with dissent in a 
>manner that forms coalitions of people working for a common objective, a 
>disdainful attitude that dismisses disagreement, and an almost pompous 
>assurance that one is right, no matter what the opposing opinions.
>
>Some of this is due to the imperfect nature of lists for holding group 
>discussions.  Some of it is due to personalities.  Not enough of it is due 
>to the nature of issues.
>
>I will be at ICANN in Los Angeles, and I look forward to observing how you 
>all interact in face to face discussions, that is, if the group will let 
>me join their meeting.
>
>George Sadowsky
>
>
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>At 5:09 PM -0700 10/25/01, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>At 03:45 PM 10/25/2001, Milton Mueller wrote:
>>>Anupam:
>>>I am surprised that anyone is falling for Vany's call for a "special" vote.
>>
>>Milton, your respect for opinions and positions that differ from yours 
>>remains a hallmark.
>>
>>>There is a formal resolution on ORG submitted. It will be discussed and 
>>>debated
>>>in the ICANN meeting (where it can be amended and compromises worked out
>>>more easily) and then submitted to the entire membership online, where
>>>it can be discussed and amended again, or voted down, if necessary.
>>>
>>>We have established procedures for doing these things.
>>
>>You seem to misunderstand the procedures, Milton.
>>
>>There is nothing in them that mandates having a first vote only at a face 
>>to face meeting.
>>
>>There is nothing that mandates having no discussion until a face to face 
>>meeting.
>>
>>>last two years is that people who can make
>>>a lot of noise on an email list may have very
>>>little support from the membership as a whole.
>>
>>Indeed.  So why is it, Milton, that you persist in making so much noise 
>>on this email list?
>>
>>d/
>>
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