[ncdnhc-discuss] No new LA agenda

[Milton Mueller]

Most of the real security issues are technical ones regarding the
implementation of certain protocols or procedures. And most of them 
involve actions that must be taken by the operators of NAME SERVERS -
that is, over 600,000 independent operators and ISPs around
the world. Including root-servers - which are not even operated by 
ICANN. There is very little DNSO or NCDNHC can contribute to
this. 

Nevertheless, if any member wants to submit a substantive 
proposal on security, it will enjoy the same rights of getting on the 
agenda as any other resolution or proposal. But it will be interesting 
to see if there is any substance to this call to "discuss security." I will
look forward, Vany, to your technical proposal to increase the
stability and robustness of DNS. I would first suggest you propose it to
the IETF.

I can guarantee you that as an Adcom member we are not going
to give priority on the agenda to open-ended discussions of ill-defined
topics. 

>>> vany_martinez at yahoo.com 10/02/01 05:01PM >>>
Hi to all:


Following Dave comments, I propose the following:

To Include in NCDNHC agenda to deal with security
issues that leads to mantain and improove the
stability and the robustness of the DNS.

Please, remember that working on security issues also
affects Non-Commercial interests, in part because any
policy developed by ICANN or any recommendation that
would ICANN can make to the pertaining bodies that
works directly with the stability and robustness of
the DNS, will affect in any way the .ORG Registry
Policy and Operations.

Best Regards
Vany


--- Dave Crocker <dhc2 at dcrocker.net> wrote:
> At 10:38 PM 9/29/2001, Vany Martinez wrote:
> > > There is no evidence whatsoever of an imminent
> threat to DNS.
> >And?  Terrorist actions in USA has opened the eyes
> to
> >ICANN that it is also wise to think in Security
> issues
> 
> Correct.  If the only effort to consider security
> issues is to respond to 
> known, imminent threats, then security work will
> always fail.
> 
> The nature of serious security planning to is to
> anticipate all threats 
> that seems likely or reasonable.  Ultimately,
> security experts note that it 
> is never possible to provide perfect security.  The
> goal is to anticipate 
> likely threats and design a set of prevention
> mechanisms that balance cost, 
> versus benefit, versus likelihood.
> 
> 
> > > The particular terrorists we are dealing with
> are not interested in 
> > disrupting web sites and email.
> >This is outside the scope or ICANN...This is not
> the
> 
> I am extremely impressed that Milton is so certain
> about the goals of the 
> terrorists.
> 
> The recent actions show a desire to attack icons of
> "western" commerce and 
> power.  Infrastructure services for the Internet
> would seem an entirely 
> plausible outlet for such intentions.  (As others
> have noted, the only real 
> pressure against their attacking the Internet is
> their own demonstrated use 
> of it.)
> 
> 
> > > They want to kill people, large numbers of them.
> I have not
> > > yet heard of a way one can become a martyr by
> hacking.
> >You see? Still insisting.   Milton...this is not
> about Hacking or Cracking 
> >a server.
> 
> Continuing to give in to the tendency to believe
> that any of us really 
> understands the terrorists' goals and styles, I'll
> note that killing people 
> well might not be a requirement.
> 
> In terms of social damage it is worth noting that
> the effect of the attack 
> on the World Trade Center was probably far more
> serious for the physical 
> disruption of major businesses than for the total
> number of people 
> killed.  Yes, killing people carries the drama they
> seem to want, but it is 
> not the only way to achieve that notariety.
> 
> Perhaps the most important point to consider is that
> these terrorists have 
> shown astonishing and appalling creativity.  We all
> need to be very, very 
> careful about the assumptions we make, when trying
> to predict their behavior.
> 
> d/
> 
> ----------
> Dave Crocker  <mailto:dcrocker at brandenburg.com>
> Brandenburg InternetWorking 
> <http://www.brandenburg.com>
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Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales
Information Technology Specialist
Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
http://www.sdnp.org.pa e-mail: vany at sdnp.org.pa 

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