[Bylaws] Attendance list and mp3 Bylaws call 31 August 2015
William Drake
william.drake at uzh.ch
Tue Sep 1 08:14:32 CEST 2015
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> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
> Subject: Attendance list and mp3 NCUC 31 August 2015
> Date: August 31, 2015 at 10:36:44 PM GMT+2
> To: "william.drake at uzh.ch" <william.drake at uzh.ch>, "arunmohan.s at gmail.com" <arunmohan.s at gmail.com>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
> Cc: "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
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> Dear Maryam, Bill and Arun,
>
> Please find attendance attached, mp3 and AC recording link below for the NCUC call held on Monday, 31 August 2015 at 16:00 UTC. Transcription will be sent upon receipt.
> MP3 : https://icann.box.com/shared/static/150t9etqd7u1moz81cmktfmnb5hpjd1n.mp3 <http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=zZ8xDDIU4PY795Cika7Nmy-2FNugFnAwo9az5qWXNwufSZD7Tflzhkf3Jh-2FksgO5bWoF0p4cXIPITpGtttKh5v02wASr5skmPeAeyoBZpApyI-3D_nEX-2FaOijqgcJlSz5SkmueJu3tRbmaDiuX89gT35tStEeSHP9whdoceObpMxYsFLQddiMZpQjIv8dk6BsBGSJXH7VWN4SGLCJgbGKCk6E-2FTErjF4OKNQt65Dk9NF54IJ9kQpmDNySj7bbNz9G4dXi5BgbCZotTx8KNfyeB0z00f8KsMfETeTNKd7vy2kKI7tttQUIwid4NAhxXgT3nZYwmlUecV44aiHnXGemRTof-2BO-2FsKGAqeqBDXG8w1bI9wwhsXJ9tlZ0Y4kYSeJT6-2F9eyhi89rCu7JwwuxBNObFPTDhekihFULyW-2BOSB7O9PSvlH2WTr4LfNBdidbD6uh37zM-2Bsyf9XhNRXHFDDCOAZ7u4-2BXFbJIXpiM0j111QD56vqhNHos-2BTYgfmVNqO5y3OXn3lVrjeszZB5IxtIG4lZfPUqpXcZ-2BGDf-2FMnkwccDF6a72FQqJSAbvhSHVXcwSSwza5Zvi6iAo4KqMW963vAAYPB7m0-2FbIO-2FgtkNrq-2BvES8HAht>
> AC link: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p5qcup09zhg/ <https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p5qcup09zhg/>
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> Thanks!
> Terri
>
> AC Chat NCUC 31 August 2015
> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the NCUC to work on an update of bylaws on Monday, 31 August 2015
> Arun Sukumar:Hello!
> Tapani Tarvainen:Hello everybody!
> Arun Sukumar:Thanks Terri for doing this on short notice
> Amr Elsadr:Hi folks. :)
> Brenden Kuerbis:Hi all
> Arun Sukumar:yup - just to remind folks the context in which this discussion came up was NCUC diversity
> Amr Elsadr:It won't be the SIC anymore?! Always loved that name. :)
> Amr Elsadr:@Bill: Yes, it is. :)
> Arun Sukumar:bill, can you talk about previous efforts to revise this?
> Arun Sukumar:what were they looking at?
> Brenden Kuerbis:Yes, lets get started.
> Arun Sukumar:can you guys hear me? on adobe
> Arun Sukumar:yup terri that would be great
> Arun Sukumar:sorry!
> Terri Agnew:Arunhas joined audio
> Brenden Kuerbis:To be clear, more or less the NCUC bylaws have been followed. But they clearly do need an update.
> Amr Elsadr:I don't think this is especially relevant to this discussion, but thought some of you may be interested in another NCUC -related working document (not bylaws). https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-sXOCtMwAOeQJoO6EvLwssGHAxtbBW-5W0vNzb4ZwR0/edit?pli=1 <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-sXOCtMwAOeQJoO6EvLwssGHAxtbBW-5W0vNzb4ZwR0/edit?pli=1>
> Farzaneh Badii:so we are talking about both addition and changes right?
> Arun Sukumar:yup
> Amr Elsadr:I would aim to make this happen in time for a vote around the time of the 2016 annual elections.
> Amr Elsadr:Unless the NCUC members' vote needs to come before the SIC approval. Not sure about the process.
> Bill Drake:Amr we vet it on the list but then the formal vote is during the 2016 election
> Amr Elsadr:And the SIC gives its blessing before the vote?
> Bill Drake:draft, vet, share with staff, revise, share with board, revise...keeping members informed as it unfolds
> Bill Drake:no
> Bill Drake:oh sorry yes
> Brenden Kuerbis:Can we identify those specific points that might elicit "different viewpoints"? Let's get those out in front of the NCUC list ASAP. Once settled, we can work on proposed text and making bylaws consistent.
> Bill Drake:SIC approves and then we are good to go to the election
> Amr Elsadr:Cool. Thnx.
> Tapani Tarvainen:Yes: use team list for detailed work.
> Arun Sukumar:thats a good idea brenden
> Tapani Tarvainen:Yes.
> Brenden Kuerbis:Right, we're in a bind
> Brenden Kuerbis:lol
> Tapani Tarvainen::-)
> Amr Elsadr:The ad hoc NCUC method of endorsing policy statements was actually more efficient than the NCSG PC!! Just sayin'. :)
> Bill Drake:alas
> Tapani Tarvainen:Lost your voice
> Amr Elsadr:Did we lose Brendend, or did I lose audio?
> Farzaneh Badii:me too
> Brenden Kuerbis:Crap sorry
> Bill Drake:crickets
> Brenden Kuerbis:Will reconnect
> Bill Drake:Arun?
> Arun Sukumar:aargh patchy conxn guys sorry
> Arun Sukumar:im back
> Arun Sukumar:i can hear amr
> Farzaneh Badii:I can't speak , I am at the office . what should I react to
> Brenden:Apoogies folks, Adobe froze on me
> Bill Drake:it inevitably will be a few people doing actual writing but we will do that with the bylaws team and keep the members list abreast of big issues or steps
> Arun Sukumar:So can we say we're looking at all bylaws members flagging priority areas like Bill's email?
> Bill Drake:yes that is the idea
> Brenden:To recap: Use Bill's initial list of issues. Each of us take ownership of an issue and develop a one-pager outlining the issue for presentation to NCUC list. Hopefully, we convene on a position as a Const.
> Arun Sukumar:yup
> Brenden:Then we can get to drafting bylaws
> Bill Drake:open call to identify priority areas for tweaks. then focused team effort going through each section
> Arun Sukumar:whats our timeline like for this?
> Farzaneh Badii:Bill's list is good. but can we add to the list?
> Bill Drake:yes!
> Arun Sukumar:this has to be done pretty soon so we can have something on the tablebefore Dublin
> Bill Drake:Arun, we do not need a text before Dublin
> Farzaneh Badii:ok good. so we add things to your list, then prioratize issues get members to work on it
> Bill Drake:we need to identify the issues we will work on and vet them with the membership
> Brenden:But we should aim for consensus by Dublin on difficult issues?
> Bill Drake:sense of the room to move forward yes, but final decisions on list
> Farzaneh Badii:ok
> Arun Sukumar:ok
> Farzaneh Badii:I think we should add to this and then discuss it in Dublin .
> Farzaneh Badii:yeah , so are we gonna ask the list to prioritize the issues?
> Arun Sukumar:the bylaws list - yes
> Arun Sukumar:not the general list
> Farzaneh Badii:ok
> Amr Elsadr:@Farzi: Not prioritize..., make a list of all issues that need to be considered/discussed.
> Arun Sukumar:sounds good bill. are we getting time during constituency day to discuss this?
> Farzaneh Badii:so start from Bill's list, add to it, suggest changes, discuss in Dublin
> Farzaneh Badii:?
> Brenden:Yes, I think these are archived on the eteam list
> Tapani Tarvainen:I'll dig up my notes from the past
> Arun Sukumar:this is a silly question - but are we losing out materially (budget etc) because our bylaws are outdated?
> Amr Elsadr:@Farzi: Yes. That sounds like a good approach, but circulate list to the NCUC and ask for input prior to Dublin as well. At least that's what I would suggest.
> Farzaneh Badii:yeah I think that's good
> Bill Drake:yes Amr that's what I'm suggesting
> Farzaneh Badii:so we need a deadline for identifying the issues
> Bill Drake:please let's not all this the charter it confuses things
> Amr Elsadr:Yes. A deadline would be helpful.
> Brenden:I see these big "issues" - legal form of organization, need for policy committee, role of EC (e.g., functional, regional representation, etc.). I would avoid raise the "interrelationship between C's and SG at this stage.
> Amr Elsadr:Sometime around the end of September?
> Farzaneh Badii:yes .
> Tapani Tarvainen:Amr: you stole words from my keyboard
> Amr Elsadr:;-)
> Arun Sukumar:ancient days
> Amr Elsadr:These seem like very helpful categories.
> Tapani Tarvainen:Very much like the idea of Vice Chair
> Arun Sukumar:"authority"
> Farzaneh Badii:YES
> Farzaneh Badii:I AGREE with THAT
> Farzaneh Badii:THANK YOU
> Arun Sukumar:lol
> Farzaneh Badii:it is true
> Farzaneh Badii:I quite like a monitoring mechanims for activities
> Tapani Tarvainen:Whipping EC members to work has been an issue in just about every EC-like thing I've been in...
> Arun Sukumar:LOL
> Tapani Tarvainen:a: much in agreement. Solution no trivial though.
> Arun Sukumar:bill, can you briefly tell us why you've asked for this to be legal entity
> Arun Sukumar:aah ok
> Farzaneh Badii:oh can they sue us if become legally incorporated . that would be fun
> Arun Sukumar:hmmmm
> Arun Sukumar:"good standing" - something left for us to do given NCSG has nothing on it
> Tapani Tarvainen:unincorporated association with taxpayer id would enough to deal with the money issues
> Brenden:and limit liabiliy afaik
> Amr Elsadr:@Farzi: Can WE sue us if NCUC becomes legally incorporated?! ;-)
> Arun Sukumar:Also - so many references to dues in bylaws, whiuch you've flagged
> Farzaneh Badii:Amr, fascinating idea
> Amr Elsadr:Can hear you Brenden
> Amr Elsadr:@Brenden: I am working on this under the assumption that the structure will not change in the foreseeable future.
> Arun Sukumar:absolutely agree
> Farzaneh Badii:the whole ICANN system ?
> Farzaneh Badii:oh
> Farzaneh Badii:right!
> Arun Sukumar:which is not a bad idea..
> Farzaneh Badii:well it's impossible
> Arun Sukumar:yeah that's a problem i guess
> Tapani Tarvainen:a bit ambitious...
> Amr Elsadr:Not sure I like the idea of a CSAC. Would like to hear more reasons on why this would be a good thing.
> Brenden:My preference would be not to base our work on hope...
> Brenden:And assume the extant structue
> Brenden:OK, thx
> Arun Sukumar:All the headings here Bill are pragmatic so i think that's safe
> Brenden:sorry, olf hand
> Tapani Tarvainen:Sitcom idea: NCUC bylaws ...
> Farzaneh Badii:so could I ask, what are the best sources to read on to be able to add to this list?
> Bill Drake:I suggest we let Terri go and wok online
> Amr Elsadr:@Arun: Lost audio for a second. Could you repeat the question?
> Farzaneh Badii:Thank you
> Brenden:Yes, I have a hard stop in 5 mins.
> Tapani Tarvainen:Let's stop and carry on in the list
> Farzaneh Badii:oh ok
> Farzaneh Badii:I thougt we had 90 mins
> Brenden:Lets move Bills email to a Google Doc, add suggested text additions
> Amr Elsadr:Agree with Bill. Are we set on a deadline?
> Amr Elsadr:@Brenden: Sounds good.
> Farzaneh Badii:ok end of September - I am abit skeptical though maybe 21 Sep would be better.
> Brenden:Be sure to use "Suggestion" mode, so we can keep things straight
> Amr Elsadr:21 Sep would be good too. We want to have enough time to work on this, but also give enough time for an on-NCUC-list discussion prior to Dublin.
> Farzaneh Badii:ok that's fine. was just asking. Thanks alot Terri
> Tapani Tarvainen:I've got to go soon
> Terri Agnew:most welcome everyone
> Arun Sukumar:1 hour is faaaine
> Farzaneh Badii:sure . thank u .
> Amr Elsadr:@Bill: Again..., agree. :)
> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. The last time I got on a bylaws call, it was just me and one other person!! :)
> Brenden:Thanks all, bye-bye.
> Amr Elsadr:Bye.
> Tapani Tarvainen:Bye all
> Farzaneh Badii:Bye
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William J. Drake
International Fellow & Lecturer
Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
University of Zurich, Switzerland
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,
ICANN, www.ncuc.org
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