[NCUC-DISCUSS] ICANN privacy policy

Sat Mar 29 11:50:55 CET 2014

If the NCSG doesn't have a mailman I don;t see any reason that NCUC
couldn't provide that facility to the community. F'rinstance just call it
ncsg-privacy at ncuc.org to be clear that it group-wide list,  but keep the
tag as plain [privacy].

But whatever.

On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:28 AM, William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Ok, if the NCUC members who've said they want to work on this prefer to
> carry NPOC and do it as NCSG instead, then NCUC obviously cannot establish
> it as a NCUC Interest Group with a mailing list and position on our
> website.  NCSG doesn't have an independent website but does have space on
> the Confluence platform, so you could move it there and wiki away.
>
> Best
>
> Bill
>
> On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> > I absolutely like the combined NCSG model, and the work is flowing from
> a combined NCSG presentation to the Board, so we must honour that.  My
> nervousness about attempting to draft or reach consensus in a large group,
> is no doubt coloured by my incredulity at the never-ending stream of
> talk-no-action coming from the 1-net and IGF discussion lists.  Lets give
> it a go, I will send the message we started with, about drafting the gap
> analysis, to the NCSG privacy list (assuming I am indeed on it and that it
> won't take a week to rectify if I am not on it) and take it from there.
>  Meantime my principal focus is to get the first draft done.
> > Thanks!
> > Stephanie
> > PS I assume privacy at ipjustice.org may have folks who don't regularly
> participate at ICANN on it?
> > On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:30 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am confused.
> >>
> >> <privacy at ipjustice.org> is a relatively small list.  Of course it
> looks like it could get bigger if everyone wants to join, but I don't see
> that as a problem as long as it does not get as big as NCUc or the NCSG
> >>
> >> I think that doing the work in a smaller open and archived group that
> focuses on just one subject is a good idea.  I also think that we don't
> need separate privacy etc list for bot NCUC and NCSG.  But I am one of the
> people that is less than excited about the competing constituency model and
> prefer the unified NCSG model.
> >>
> >> avri
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 28-Mar-14 15:35, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
> >>> I understand why you want to do this.  This is a working group, to
> >>> draft something.  I hear rumours there are 350 people on the NCSG
> >>> discussion list.  I have worked all year trying to get basic, basic
> >>> concepts of data protection law understood.  I am not sure drafting
> >>> this thing in such a big group is efficient.  i have no objections
> >>> sending the small group's concensus draft from the working group to
> >>> the larger list, but I am mindful of Bill's admonition to keep the
> >>> traffic low.  if we start discussing definitions, frameworks,
> >>> jurisdiction, related constitutional protections (remembering there
> >>> are at least 50 jurisdictions out there with data protection law,) we
> >>> will never get this thing done. It is supposed to be a short gap
> >>> analysis of their privacy policy, that is all, not a draft of a new
> >>> privacy policy.  If that were what we are doing, then maybe we would
> >>> have to do it in the bigger group. Just saying.  EPIC and PI found it
> >>> a total nightmare in recent years trying to update the Privacy and
> >>> Human RIghts Law Handbook, it is just too big now (see link
> >>>
> http://www.worldlii.org/int/journals/EPICPrivHR/2006/PHR2006-Defining.html
> )
> >>> I will abide by the decision of this group, but I will also feed my
> >>> draft in to the EWG if we bog down and cannot reach agreement.  we
> >>> have a major admission that they need advice, STeve is happy to get
> >>> it, we gotta move. Cheers SP PS Here is the link to the framework I
> >>> intend to reference (mostly because it is dated 2002 and I want to
> >>> underscore just how late ICANN is in recognizing its
> >>> responsibilities), referring of course to recent updates in EU law,
> >>> proposed regulation, and the guidance on binding corporate rules from
> >>> the Art 29 group.
> >>>
> http://danskprivacynet.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/ipse_finalreport1.pdf.
> >>> If anyone can think of a decent US document to cite, I am all ears,
> >>> but I am not aware of one. ________________________________________
> >>> From: ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org
> >>> <ncuc-discuss-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> on behalf of Avri Doria
> >>> <avri at acm.org> Sent: March 27, 2014 10:11 PM Cc:
> >>> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] ICANN privacy
> >>> policy
> >>>
> >>> On 27-Mar-14 13:13, Amr Elsadr wrote:
> >>>> I think it is important to decide early on wether we are going to
> >>>> have separate discussions regarding ICANN's privacy and data
> >>>> protection policies within their own corporate practices and
> >>>> within the policies developed through the GNSO impacting
> >>>> obligations imposed on contracted parties, or not.
> >>>
> >>> I suggest we stick to one NCSG wide discussion space for all of
> >>> this.
> >>>
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