[NCUC-EC] NCUC Outreach Activity during ICANN81

[Benjamin Akinmoyeje]

Dear Amin,
Thank you for sharing your concerns.

I believe you have not experienced an NCUC outreach event before, and it is
understandable,

NCUC outreach activities are just another opportunity for NCUC to introduce
the organization to new audiences and recruit new members.

I respect your work, but the request was just for us to get results(members
want to see results). I did not give you an order. Please highlight the
orders I gave you on this list. I believe your grievance is simply because
I requested that you please allow us to discuss the possibility, and I
believe I communicated this to you personally.
I did not give you orders during your CROP, even when you asked me for
orders (what should I do), and neither did I give you orders when you led
other sessions.

No order was given when you were organizing the IGF session - I
collaborated with you to lead ...why would I give orders now? Something
must have gone amiss.

In my bid to find a solution, I contacted some community leaders, and I was
advised to reach out to Adam Peake. I mentioned our intentions to him; I
believe you also reached out to others as well. Adam informed me of his
engagement with some civil society organizations. I responded that we were
interested in engaging with them, and as it was shown today, he responded
to us.

This present issue is arising because I am exploring other opportunities to
have the NCUC outreach. I do not understand what you mean by me
manipulating an event - I would appreciate your clarification on that.

Folks, we have had a great run as a leadership team. We just have less than
a month to finish this stewardship; there is no point generating
unnecessary controversies.

All we all want is to continue to keep NCUC vibrant and engaging for the
benefit of the membership. None of us is paid for this.

All these efforts should be put into creating robust events for the
membership - all these efforts are needed in our websites, social media
engagements, NCUC Issue forum, NCUC membership meetings, and recruiting
more members for the community.



Kind regards,
Benjamin





On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 9:10 PM Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Benjamin,
> I need to address something important with you. We're here to work
> together as professionals, not to give or take orders. It's crucial that we
> make decisions together rather than you trying to manipulate the situation.
> I won't participate in that kind of behavior; and it's not the approach I
> support.
>
> Seher (ICANN staff in the Istanbul office) replied to us on 9 August, and
> you, Ines, and Pedro were also copied on the email. She mentioned:
>
> *" ... I reached out 4 civil society organizations who are primary
> focusing on internet users rights, and the issues at the intersection of
> technology, society and culture.**Two of them already confirmed their
> attendance to ICANN81. If NCUC session date/time is fixed, we can also
> expand the context of invitation and  invite them to join your session.  I
> talked to our friends from universities, scheduling a lecture/seminar at
> the time of ICANN event would not be preferred as it is very much likely
> conflict with exam period." ...*
>
> I don't want to remind you of how you underestimated the significance of
> what I was saying concerning this subject during the followed EC meeting.
> Anyway, in her email Seher pointed out the challenges of scheduling
> meetings during the exam period for universities. She also proposed four
> civil society organizations, with two already confirmed to attend. On the
> other hand, nothing clear yet regarding ISOC Istanbul, just as you did not
> share with us details about Adam's reply to you.
>
> On my part, in addition to my communication with Seher, I communicated by
> email to the NCUC members, and I did not say that we could not proceed with
> the session or anything similar. We had assistance from Seher, which you
> rejected. The main questions I have been asking from the beginning, and I
> will repeat: *if you want to organize the event outside the convention,
> can you tell us where? *Who do you think is ready to organize and invite
> several local people interested to meet us? *What do you have to offer
> them? Is there a clear project we can discuss with the attendees or the
> NGOs?* Especially considering that you want to hold the meeting in the
> middle of a working day, taking into account what Seher mentioned about the
> exam period for university students. Also, I raised the challenge of
> navigating Istanbul due to our unfamiliarity with the city. This could
> potentially result in significant time loss as we attempt to meet with
> maybe two or three individuals.
>
> I don't want to continue analyzing or explaining further. You were not
> clear, and you didn't respect the work of others.
>
> As EC members, we are responsible for identifying any opportunity that can
> serve the NCUC mission. I propose organizing a meeting after the opening
> ceremony at the convention center, where we can invite ISOC Istanbul and
> other NGOs and academies who are supposed to be at the ICANN opening
> ceremony. In order to proceed with organizing this meeting, it is essential
> that the EC members recognize its potential to enhance the NCUC during
> ICANN81, or EC find that our two other sessions are deemed sufficient.
>
> Thank you all for your attention. Let's keep the focus on replies only for
> the next steps, please.
> Regards,
> Amin
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 12:45 AM Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Amin,
>> Thank you for your email and for bringing up this issue.
>>
>> We floated the idea of outreach in August, and we connected with ISOC TR,
>> and you were supposed to help lead the process. Still, as indicated by the
>> engagement with Seher, you returned that it was not advisable to have an
>> offsite event.
>> Onsite, we already have two events to share in response to the email.
>>
>> I requested that you allow us to discuss the issue (those willing to) on
>> WhatsApp because you keep telling us in the chat that we can not do
>> outreach (since   ICANN staff said we must not do it).
>>
>> Is your concern because we are exploring opportunities to have an
>> outreach offsite?
>> I mentioned your concerns about transportation around Istanbul and other
>> challenges you raised to the ECs.
>>
>> There is still no guarantee that the event will happen. The discussion
>> with Adam Peak was to seek his guidance, and he offered to connect us to a
>> civil society org.
>>
>> Please share the two NCUC meetings at ICANN with Seher to share with the
>> local communities.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Benjamin
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 7:23 PM Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear EC members,
>>> I’m reaching out to seek clarification on the NCUC Outreach session
>>> during ICANN81. I must express my discomfort with the recent handling of
>>> this matter.
>>>
>>> Previously, I was instructed to liaise with Seher, an ICANN staff member
>>> working in Istanbul office and in charge of communication with the local
>>> community. I have attached Seher's positive reply, which was CC'd to all of
>>> us (Ines, Pedro, and Benjamin) on 9 August. During our recent meeting, I
>>> expressed my desire to resume communication with Seher. I didn’t do it
>>> because of Benjamin's response, suggesting to keep out the ICANN staff.
>>> However, later Benjamin said that he is communicating with Adam (ICANN
>>> staff) without sharing any emails or communication with us.
>>>
>>> I also raised concerns about the location of the session being outside
>>> the convention center in Istanbul, which could pose logistical challenges.
>>> We lack vital details about the attendees and the venue, which is
>>> disconcerting. As visitors to Istanbul, we risk losing precious time, in a
>>> day with other agendas, finding our way to the location. Despite my
>>> recommendation to host the meeting at the convention center, Benjamin
>>> rejected the idea.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, I sought clarity on the arrangements for the location and
>>> other pertinent details. However, I received a response suggesting that I
>>> stay out of this session. Given our shared responsibility and that this
>>> will be published as a NCUC EC organized initiative, I am seeking to better
>>> understand the objectives we aim to achieve.
>>> Regards,
>>> Amin
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