[NCUC-EC] Fwd: [NCUC] Call for inputs - 1:1 - NCUC Chair & ICANN CEO

Sat Dec 16 09:15:38 CET 2023

I asked a slightly related question in my own 1:1 with Sally. My
question was "Regarding the DNS abuse contractual amendment negotiations
between CPH and Org. What plans are there to consider the comments that
came through during the public comments period, including NCSG comments
or what will come out of that process?"

Sally and Org are very enthusiastic about the agreement and how it was
CPH-driven, citing it as great and much needed evidence that the
multistakeholder model works...

	Julf

On 14/12/2023 21:27, Ken Herman wrote:
> Thanks Pedro. Farzi makes a good point, especially regarding the process 
> used to develop the new contractual arrangements, but I haven’t followed 
> the process, even though y limited understanding of what emerged 
> reflects a general understanding of the need to avoid any conflict with 
> the mandate on content. Nevertheless, there may be some risk and hence 
> this is another aspect of the DNS abuse topic that we can discuss on the 
> call.
> 
> Ken
> 
> *From:* NCUC-EC <ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> *On Behalf Of *Pedro de 
> Perdigão Lana
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 14, 2023 1:27 PM
> *To:* Exec. Comm <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>; Benjamin Akinmoyeje 
> <benakin at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* [NCUC-EC] Fwd: [NCUC] Call for inputs - 1:1 - NCUC Chair & 
> ICANN CEO
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Farzi sent me the message below. I think we could sum this up as "Bylaws 
> concerns CPH approval of the amended contractual agreement". @Benjamin 
> Akinmoyeje <mailto:benakin at gmail.com> , would you be comfortable to talk 
> about this, so Andrea can add to the agenda?
> 
> Cordially,
> 
> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
> 
> Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600 <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>,  Pesquisador 
> (GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>)
> 
> Doutorando em Direito (UFPR), Mestre em Direito Empresarial (UCoimbra),
> 
> Membro da Coordenação - CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, 
> ISOC BR <https://isoc.org.br/> e IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
> 
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De: *farzaneh badii* <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com 
> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>
> Date: qui., 14 de dez. de 2023 às 14:47
> Subject: Re: [NCUC] Call for inputs - 1:1 - NCUC Chair & ICANN CEO
> To: Pedro de Perdigão Lana <pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com 
> <mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com>>
> Cc: David Morar <davidcristianmorar at gmail.com 
> <mailto:davidcristianmorar at gmail.com>>, Bruna Martins dos Santos 
> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>, Raymond Mamattah 
> <mamattah.raymond at gmail.com <mailto:mamattah.raymond at gmail.com>>
> 
> Pedro,
> 
> I just found out that the I thi. Tomslin mentioned this before but I 
> think we need to raise some concern about their lack of response to our 
> comments. This whole process felt like PIR and big players got together, 
> set up the agenda, did some hand waving at the stakeholders and did 
> whatever they wanted. They tell us we should be happy that they put in 
> content governance should not be in the remit but why would that make us 
> happy? content governance is not in the mission of ICANN according to 
> its bylaws, any contractual amendment that is against the bylaws cannot 
> pass!
> 
> Just posted this on LinkedIn:
> 
> ICANN Contracted Parties House (CPH) has approved the bilateral 
> amendments about DNS Abuse.
> https://lnkd.in/enJ34aFs <https://lnkd.in/enJ34aFs>
> 
> They are celebrating but let me tell you why I am not celebrating (and 
> this is not a revolutionary event, a bunch of powerful actors felt 
> pressure, got together and said we should do these changes-which will 
> have minimal effect on DNS abuse situation because there is no situation 
> to be solved, DNS is working!!!)
> 1. Complete disregard of the multistakeholder process. There was a 
> public comment process which we as the noncommercials weighed in and 
> there was silence. They set the agenda somewhere else and came to 
> approve it at ICANN. As simple as that. (one example is we objected to 
> the addition of Spam as a form of delivery of malware, which was a 
> simple removal!)
> 
> 2. A few registries and registrars got together and imposed their 
> business model on the rest.
> 
> 3. In the end all of these issues are because of ICANN's lack of desire 
> to preserve competition among the registries and registrars.
> 
> I actually believe industry consortiums can do incredible work in this 
> space, so why don't we just wrap up this multistakeholder vanity fair 
> and go home!
> 
> Farzaneh
> 
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:35 PM Pedro de Perdigão Lana 
> <pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com <mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Farzaneh, David, Bruna, Raymond,
> 
>     Do you have any topics you would like to bring up in the NCUC
>     conversation with Sally?
> 
>     Cordially,
> 
> 
>     *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
> 
>     Lawyer <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR
>     <https://www.gedai.com.br/> Researcher
> 
>     PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
> 
>     Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
>     <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
> 
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>     ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>     De: *Pedro de Perdigão Lana* <pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com
>     <mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com>>
>     Date: qui., 14 de dez. de 2023 às 08:58
>     Subject: Fwd: [NCUC] Call for inputs - 1:1 - NCUC Chair & ICANN CEO
>     To: Exec. Comm <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org <mailto:ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>>
> 
>     Hi
> 
>     We got no suggestions - I asked the NCSG chair f if he received any
>     topics that wouldn't fit in his time, but no luck on that side too.
>     I really do not have a substantial point to help in Sally's 1:1,
>     maybe we should ask directly to some of our more active members?
> 
>     Just remembering, Andrea mentioned that our deadline is today.
> 
>     Cordially,
> 
>     ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>     De: *Pedro de Perdigão Lana* <pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com
>     <mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com>>
>     Date: ter., 12 de dez. de 2023 às 13:15
>     Subject: [NCUC] Call for inputs - 1:1 - NCUC Chair & ICANN CEO
>     To: NCUC Discuss <ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org
>     <mailto:ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org>>
> 
>     Hi everyone,
> 
>     The NCUC chair will have a 1:1 with Sally Costerton, interim CEO of
>     ICANN. The Executive Committee would like to know if our members
>     have any suggestions for topics and questions that we should discuss
>     in the meeting.
> 
>     The deadline to send your inputs is Wednesday (Dec. 13th), midnight,
>     UTC.
> 
>     Cordially,
> 
> 
>     *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
> 
>     Lawyer <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR
>     <https://www.gedai.com.br/> Researcher
> 
>     PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
> 
>     Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
>     <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
> 
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