[NCUC-EC] [EC ACTION REQUIRED]: E-Team Engagement

Tue Aug 1 00:20:07 CEST 2023

I agree on this point.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, 22:02 Mili Semlani <milisemlani at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looks good to me.
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> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 at 15:28, Olga Kyryliuk <olga_kyryliuk at ukr.net> wrote:
>
>> Ken, the summary is great. Nothing to add from my side.
>>
>> Just a kind request to Ines, Mili, and Claudio to respond to this action
>> point asap: "*The EC needs to agree to place the web site on a new VPS
>> at the existing hosting company with the assistance of Tapani and the NCSG
>> e-team.*" Essentially, it is easy approval as it does not incur any
>> substantial change - we keep the same hosting, just separate mailman and
>> website into different VPS.
>>
>> And yes, as Tapani said I prefer to move to new website and do all
>> necessary content updates over there.
>>
>> Best,
>> Olga
>>
>>
>> *31 липня 2023, 19:46:47, від "'Tapani Tarvainen'"
>> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>: *
>>
>> [resending because some recipients were missing]
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> One issue we didn't discuss at the call is migration timing.
>>
>> Specifically, do you want to keep the old site up until the new one
>> has its content updated or move to the new one at once and proceed to
>> update its content there.
>>
>> The latter would be easier, there'd be no extra step to change the
>> domain names later, and I know Olga would prefer it. The only downside
>> would be that publishing a new website with obviously incomplete and
>> outdated information could be a bit confusing, but the old one is
>> already so out-of-date that I'm not sure it'd be much better to hang
>> on to it. (It could be kept online for reference as old.ncuc.org or
>> something like that for some time, if desired.)
>>
>> Tapani
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 12:19:08PM -0400, Ken Herman (ken at kherman.com) wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello all.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for everyone’s contribution.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The link below is my brief summary of today’s discussion. Please edit in places where I might have missed key points.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aeBwOPClnTiNzr6LLcY0K9Ha_JrRmWTXLqa585_fOYw/edit?usp=sharing
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: NCUC-EC <ncuc-ec-bounces at lists.ncuc.org> On Behalf Of Benjamin Akinmoyeje
>> > Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2023 3:12 PM
>> > To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>; Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>; Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>; David Morar <davidcristianmorar at gmail.com>; Olga Kyryliuk <olga_kyryliuk at ukr.net>; Exec. Comm <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] E-Team Engagement
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Andrea,
>> >
>> > Good day to you and I hope you are doing well.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please can you help create a Zoom meeting for us the eTeam and Olga to meet.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please it would be great if you can invite everyone on this mail trail.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The date and time of the meeting is July 31, 2023, and by 6 pm Kyiv time.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >
>> > Benjamin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 4:07 PM Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I can do July 31 at that time. Probably could arrange the latter
>> > options as well but would have to look at specific times.
>> >
>> > Tapani
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 08:44:21AM +0000, Benjamin Akinmoyeje (benakin at gmail.com <mailto:benakin at gmail.com> ) wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dear eTeam,
>> > > Good day to you.
>> > >
>> > > Please here is the time availability I got from Olga
>> > >
>> > > “So if you want a call, let’s make smth quick for 30 minutes max with EC
>> > > inviting Tapani who can explain what is the challenge on his side. I can
>> > > make it for a call on 31 July after 6 pm (Kyiv time, UTC+3), 3 August after
>> > > 4 pm and 5 August any time at the moment.”
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I will recommend July 31st please
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Looking forward to hear from you.
>> > >
>> > > Kind regards,
>> > > Benjamin
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 2:16 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > So, a brief summary of the situation as I see it:
>> > > >
>> > > > Olga and her friend Dusan have designed a new website, which you can
>> > > > see at www2.ncuc.org <http://www2.ncuc.org> . Contentwise it's no more up-to-date than the
>> > > > old one, but it should be easy to update (the old one isn't as you
>> > > > presumably know, I won't go into the reasons for that now).
>> > > >
>> > > > The first decision would be if the new design is good enough
>> > > > to move forward with. (I think it is.)
>> > > >
>> > > > There are some compatibility issues with the current VPN where
>> > > > it now is. They are not trivial to solve because the old mailing
>> > > > list software (lists.ncuc.org <http://lists.ncuc.org> ) needs different (older) versions
>> > > > of some stuff, and we don't want to break the mailing lists.
>> > > >
>> > > > Easiest solution from my perspective here is getting another VPN and
>> > > > separate the mailing list and website to their own VPNs. This will
>> > > > cost something to the order of $10/month.
>> > > >
>> > > > So that's the second decision. I can set up a new VPN in
>> > > > a few minuts once you confirm someone will pay for it.
>> > > >
>> > > > Once that's up and the new wordpress setup is there, it's contents
>> > > > would need to be updated. Not all that much new content is needed,
>> > > > most important is to make sure that whatever is there is current,
>> > > > notably EC and other committee memberships. Some subsections are also
>> > > > completely empty now, but could be populated simply by copying content
>> > > > from the old site.
>> > > >
>> > > > Publication of the new site could be done in two ways:
>> > > >
>> > > > (1) keep it in a temporary location (www2 or whatever) until the
>> > > > contents are more or less up to date and then change the URL to
>> > > > www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org>  and announce it to the world.
>> > > >
>> > > > (2) switch URL immediately, that is make www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org>  point to
>> > > > the new design even while incomplete and update it there.
>> > > >
>> > > > Difference between those is mainly in the optics as it were, how
>> > > > things look like while it's being worked on. The first would be
>> > > > prettier, more glamorous so to speak, but if nobody then takes up the
>> > > > content work it could hang in a limbo for a long time.
>> > > >
>> > > > That's the third decision.
>> > > >
>> > > > But what that leads to is continued maintenance of the site,
>> > > > both content (Wordpress) and back end.
>> > > >
>> > > > Pretty much everybody should be able to learn what it takes to to edit
>> > > > WP content in a matter of minutes, although some care (and
>> > > > documentation!) would be needed to keep the site consistent in what's
>> > > > where. But you'd need several people doing that enough that they don't
>> > > > forget how it works.
>> > > >
>> > > > So the fourth decision is, who'd be doing that.
>> > > >
>> > > > The back end I can manage for now, but at least in the long run it
>> > > > would be necessary to have a backup sysadmin in case I'm run over
>> > > > by a bus or die of old age or something, and for that you'd need
>> > > > someone with Linux sysadmin skills. There are also options for
>> > > > managed hosting where that'd be somewhat easier, at extra cost
>> > > > (of course), which might make sense at some point.
>> > > >
>> > > > Deciding on that isn't as urgent, but for the record it's one
>> > > > more question to decide on at some point.
>> > > >
>> > > > OK, it wasn't all that brief... but I think I got most of
>> > > > the issues covered.
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Tapani Tarvainen
>> > > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Tapani Tarvainen
>> >
>>
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