[NCUC-EC] Travel Support for ICANN61

Sun Mar 4 16:23:02 CET 2018

Last but not least, we should all be working into answering to the calls
and voting on proposals on the deadlines given by Renata - and maybe even
make a short record of our votes public on the list.

Claiming transparency also requires us to be more open about our positions
- whether we like a proposal or not - and trying to conceive group
decisions.

2018-03-04 12:18 GMT-03:00 Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>:

> Guys,
>
> IMHO this question is settled and we should not take back the CROP
> proposal - Michael shouldnt have to, but he just submitted his Remittance
> Advice and we know for a fact that he did not request NCUC Funding out of
> pure greediness.
>
> Also, given that this is a meeting in which the NCUC leadership team wont
> be fully present, we could use all the unity and help possible given that
> half of the EC is new and the amount of meetings we have in our hands.
>
> Please lets settle this question guys!
>
>
> Best,
> Bruna
>
> 2018-03-04 11:57 GMT-03:00 Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Ines,
>>
>> I think it should be a transparent discussion, and I don't think that
>> your suggestion would have been unreasonable on its face - if my per
>> diem had been 600 USD. As it happens, it's less than half of that -
>> 250 USD (300 USD - 50 USD in bank fees). Good luck getting 6 nights in
>> Puerto Rico for that - even 3 nights in that area of San Juan would be
>> pushing it.
>>
>> But I have to ask - why are we talking about my per diem? This is not
>> the normal course of discussion when an EC member requests travel
>> support for a meeting he is heavily involved in. I don't recall this
>> ever coming up for previous requests - which are pro forma.
>>
>> About a month ago, I sent a single email to Farzi, inquiring about my
>> per diem rates, as a possible way to cover my hotel - this is before I
>> looked into hotel costs, and before the silliness around ICANN travel
>> mistakenly telling me I'm covered for the entire time. For some
>> reason, that exchange spreads to you, and to whoever wrote that
>> ridiculous email to you postulating about some huge pile of cash that
>> I'm supposedly sitting on (Hi Ayden!). And now, suddenly, I'm also
>> sitting on this enormous per diem, and greedily demanding more money
>> from NCUC.
>>
>> How about you ask me instead of trafficking in rumours?
>>
>> Honestly - I've met so many good activists that used to participate in
>> NCUC and dropped away - and this is exactly why.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 5:12 AM, hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I am sharing for transparency purposes only.
>> >
>> >
>> > Le dimanche 4 mars 2018, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> a
>> écrit :
>> >> Hi Ines
>> >> Yes
>> >> 1 vote for partial funding
>> >> There were 4 EC voting so the final decision expressed the majority of
>> >> votes
>> >> I am confused to why are you bringing back your vote. Do you wish to
>> ask
>> >> the rest of EC to review decisions?
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Em 4 de mar de 2018 5:02 AM, "hfaiedh ines" <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>
>> >> escreveu:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear Michael, all
>> >>>
>> >>> For transparency and for the record. This was my suggestion ( in
>> private)
>> >>> on Michael's travel support:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> About per Diem, if it is confirmed to be 600USD, I guess we can offer
>> to
>> >>> cover for the nights of March 10th,11th,12th and 13th (so that he
>> >>> contributes to the Constituency Day) and he can cover up for the three
>> >>> remaining nights from his per Diem himself.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>  As we do not really have a confirmation of his per diem and also
>> that I
>> >>> don't think it is fair to ask him to use all of his perdiem on hotel
>> nights
>> >>> especially that it is CT's mistake, I think 350 USD (for the four
>> nights)
>> >>> would do, so that we can 'cut the apple in half
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Le lundi 26 février 2018, Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
>> a
>> >>> écrit :
>> >>> > Ok - thanks very much, all. I'm happy to do all of those things, of
>> >>> > course. I'll look into accommodations today.
>> >>> > Best,
>> >>> > Michael
>> >>> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >>> > <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Dear Michael
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The EC has deliberated on your travel funding request and allocated
>> >>> >> the amount requested (500USD) by a majority of votes.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> This deliberation was guided by our Travel Policy and our Operating
>> >>> >> Procedures.
>> >>> >> https://www.ncuc.org/get-involved/travel-policy/
>> >>> >> https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-operating-procedures/
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The final decision was made considering on your engagement with
>> >>> >> working groups and policy work in ICANN, which was highlighted by
>> the
>> >>> >> evaluators. Your collaboration with NCUC programme at ICANN61 is
>> also
>> >>> >> welcome. Please help obtain and confirm guests and audience to be
>> in
>> >>> >> attendance, guide newcomers to our sessions, outreach on social
>> media with
>> >>> >> #NCUC and any other tasks concerning our programme. On our work
>> meetings, we
>> >>> >> hope you can be present on them and bring ideas to fulfill the
>> tasks the EC
>> >>> >> has at hands. Please remember also that as all funded travelers,
>> you should
>> >>> >> produce a report to be published as a blog post per our travel
>> policy.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I'm sending this communication asap so you can book accomodation at
>> >>> >> the best price.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I trust any EC can add ideas about ICANN61 if they think it is
>> >>> >> necessary.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Thank you,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Renata
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >>> >> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Hi
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Michael, I'm sorry about that.
>> >>> >>> ICANN really has been very restrictive on travel support lately
>> and
>> >>> >>> we are getting esp. affected.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Everyone, as in other times, I'll chime in if requested advice or
>> a
>> >>> >>> tiebreak is needed.
>> >>> >>> The way these deliberations are going to go also depend on you -
>> >>> >>> onlist or via email thread w/out proposer.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Please deliberate as fast as possible to ensure good use of
>> resources
>> >>> >>> if allocation is approved.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> As a reminder, guidelines for your deliberation are on NCUC
>> website
>> >>> >>> sections > Travel Policy and Operating Procedures.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Best,
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Renata
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Michael Karanicolas
>> >>> >>> <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>> >>>> So I just had a frustrating back and forth with ICANN travel.
>> Back
>> >>> >>>> on Jan 23, they sent me an email saying my hotel was covered
>> from March 6 -
>> >>> >>>> 16. Now they've told me that was an error, and I'm only covered
>> until March
>> >>> >>>> 10.
>> >>> >>>> I'd like to make a request for travel support, just for my hotel,
>> >>> >>>> from the 10th-16th. I'm slotted to be at the Sheraton for the
>> initial dates,
>> >>> >>>> but I can certainly move to somewhere cheaper for the extra
>> days. I see
>> >>> >>>> places on AirBNB available for well under $100 USD per night, so
>> I guess
>> >>> >>>> under 500 USD total.
>> >>> >>>> In addition to the NCUC session, of course, I have a number of
>> >>> >>>> activities I'm supposed to be carrying out at ICANN61, including
>> leading the
>> >>> >>>> CCWP session on human rights, leading a CCWG session on
>> transparency and
>> >>> >>>> open data at ICANN, and participating in the RPMs working group.
>> >>> >>>> Fully understand if you want to move off list to deliberate.
>> >>> >>>> Best,
>> >>> >>>> Michael
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> </mail/u/0/s/?view=att&th=161d24718dd88452&attid=0.0.1&disp=
>> emb&realattid=ii_161bfce49ad3ce3a&zw&atsh=1>
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>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
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