[NCUC-EC] NCUC PC
Renata Aquino Ribeiro
raquino at gmail.com
Thu Jul 5 15:01:40 CEST 2018
Hi
Answers inline
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:44 AM, farzaneh badii
<farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:00 AM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Farzaneh
>>
>> Thanks for these answers
>>
>> So by "priviledge of birth" GNSO Council are already members
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> Previeledge of birth???? Members elect them to the council. What birth. By
> being elected to the council they will be on ncuc policy committee. kindly
> choose your words carefully Renata especially as the chair it's important.
>
[RAR] I would also kindly ask you to reminder not to use your primal
response here, which you would have learned it is a primary anger
instinct should you have attended NCSG course.
Of course I`m not talking about birth as in ICANN baby GNSO
Councillors, you misinterpret me.
I`m saying, just like you did, when they are "born" into office,
inaugurated, anointed - whichever word for this ritual you may want to
use - they become too PC NCUC - automatically, you said.
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>> As well as PC NCSG are already chair and vice-chair
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> Don't understand
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these also have the automated ritual in place
>>
>> So the call we'll issue will serve to identify the 2 remaining slots
>> and observers
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>
> Yes.
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So that is what I was confirming
>>
>>
>> As for the purpose of the PC NCUC being disagreeing w/ PC NCSG that
>> also seems impossible to me as they are "automatically" linked
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>
> Well you don't know the rationale behind this. Not always all or most
> councilors belong to one constituency. Policy committee is really a measure
> to trigger under special circumstances.
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>>
unlikely to happen anytime soon
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>> We'll likely have the GNSO Council members as "dorment" in the PC NCUC
>> as they are already spread thin on the PC NCSG
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>
> As I said Policy committee is only needed at constituency level under
> special circumstances. You will probably have a dormant NCUC PC even.
>>
>>
Could be. That doesn`t mean we shouldn`t implement the bylaws as they
were approved by the board. It will be up for next NCUC leadership
next steps with this PC.
>>
>> However, the other purposes of the PC NCUC are legitimate and can help
>> also create better communication and participation in policy.
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> I'd discuss with NCUC EC the need for pc at the moment. Communication
> doesn't have to be through a policy committee. As I did during my term, I
> periodically informed members. Also you need to be careful in not
> communicating duplicates of NCSG mailing list people don't want to receive
> two identical email. If you want to help find volunteers etc for writing
> public comments then I think that's good but I do not encourage duplicates.
>>
>>
We have discussed the PC NCUC during NCUC Members session and we will
be careful not issuing duplicate messages as we have been.
I find the idea itself of not having it as limiting the implementation
of bylaws and much more closer to incurring in liability than having
it and collectively overseeing it, hopefully with your advice, Rafik`s
and whoever wants to chime in.
>>
>> I`d also believe NCSG Chairs and NCSG PC Chair should be part of the
>> committee, although as advisors/observers - again, I'm aware that
>> there are already too much tasks on those roles.
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>> I don't think you should allow ncsg chair and pc automatically become
>> observers unless they are ncuc members.
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I think no addition of observer is automatic but if there isn`t a
majority of opposition, it is EC decision.
EC wants you and Rafik to stay involved and advise us. Sometimes EC
may decide their own path but they will always listen.
It is important to keep communication between NCUC EC and NCSG Chair
(if you don`t want to talk to, let`s say, NCUC Chair).
>>
>>
>> Again, this is a new implementation of our bylaws so we`ll learn it as
>> we go along.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Renata
>>
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>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 12:21 AM, farzaneh badii
>> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > In response to Renata, I first want to tell you why the idea having a
>> > policy
>> > committee is in the bylaws in the first place. My opinion from my
>> > experience
>> > is that constituency's PC react when 1. consensus not possible at the SG
>> > level 2. They want to re-emphasize the points of NCSG PC 3. They want to
>> > add
>> > to their public comments or modify it.
>> >
>> > The Bylaws say NCUC "shall" have a policy committee. Shall does not mean
>> > must, it means "may". So I interpret that if there is a need for a
>> > policy
>> > committee at the NCUC level then NCUC will convene a policy committee.
>> > Seems
>> > like you have established the need.
>> >
>> > Now we go to Renata's questions:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> - The members of GNSO Council have seats on this safeguarded by the
>> >> bylaws. Is it their obligation or do they need to confirm they want to
>> >> be a part of this?
>> >
>> > GNSO councilors who are NCUC members are automatically assigned a seat
>> > on
>> > NCUC PC. They are not obligated to but it's their right to be assigned a
>> > seat. So no need for confirmation or acceptance. They already have SOIs
>> > for
>> > GNSO council.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> - EC has to elect Chair and Vice-chair of the PC NCUC, I assume they
>> >> can be out of the safeguarded seats too right?
>> >
>> > [Paragraph B explicitly says: The Chair and the Vice Chair of the Policy
>> > Committee shall be appointed by the EC and the Chair shall also serve on
>> > the
>> > NCSG Policy Committee. ]
>> > This means that the chair of the policy committee should be serving on
>> > NCSG
>> > PC. So only Farrel or Claudio can be chair. This design is on purpose.
>> > The
>> > chair of NCUC policy committee has to know what is going in NCSG Policy
>> > Committee and see if there are actions required to be taken at NCUC
>> > level.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> - Chairs of PC NCSG and NCSG are not referred in the bylaws as part of
>> >> PC NCUC however I`d take it they have to be included and consulted on
>> >> approval of the call as GNSO Council members are under their purview?
>> >>
>> >> Well, let me know if I missed anything
>> >
>> > These two positions are not mentioned because there might come a time
>> > that
>> > these two positions are not filled by NCUC members. Then you don't want
>> > to
>> > have non-NCUC members on your PC. But the Bylaws also say that
>> >
>> > G) "Other individuals shall be invited to participate in the
>> > deliberations
>> > of the NCUC Policy Committee, including: 1. Members (or their Official
>> > Representatives) who are serving on GNSO Working Groups, ICANN Advisory
>> > Committees, presidential committees, and other policy bodies (standing
>> > or ad
>> > hoc) within ICANN; and
>> >
>> > So in effect, you shall (which means may, not must) invite them if you
>> > want.
>> >
>> > Farzaneh
>> >
>> >
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>> >> Today's Topics:
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>> >> 1. Call for appointments for PC NCUC - please review by 10 July
>> >> (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
>> >> 2. NCUC Members call week of 16 July - Agenda and doodle poll
>> >> request (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
>> >> 3. Re: NCUC Members call week of 16 July - Agenda and doodle
>> >> poll request (Elsa S)
>> >> 4. Re: Call for appointments for PC NCUC - please review by 10
>> >> July (Elsa S)
>> >> 5. Re: debriefing notes (Mike)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:22:31 -0300
>> >> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> Subject: [NCUC-EC] Call for appointments for PC NCUC - please review
>> >> by 10 July
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
>> >> <CAMokdMw-QxtfNDSxikwp8NPaA3sq7T1K7V2ZWoWpiSFRJj4Ycg at mail.gmail.com>
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>> >>
>> >> Hi all
>> >>
>> >> This is the draft of the call for PC NCUC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rVg0hPQsS9fNfdnNvNCoiLVZm82inH-b9SUIL0KFTvY/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>
>> >> Maryam, can you please check it too
>> >>
>> >> A few doubts:
>> >>
>> >> - The members of GNSO Council have seats on this safeguarded by the
>> >> bylaws. Is it their obligation or do they need to confirm they want to
>> >> be a part of this?
>> >>
>> >> - EC has to elect Chair and Vice-chair of the PC NCUC, I assume they
>> >> can be out of the safeguarded seats too right?
>> >>
>> >> - Chairs of PC NCSG and NCSG are not referred in the bylaws as part of
>> >> PC NCUC however I`d take it they have to be included and consulted on
>> >> approval of the call as GNSO Council members are under their purview?
>> >>
>> >> Well, let me know if I missed anything
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:47:44 -0300
>> >> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> Subject: [NCUC-EC] NCUC Members call week of 16 July - Agenda and
>> >> doodle poll request
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
>> >> <CAMokdMxKvmbi6kDkF6TXybgO0UgL-30Kiyzevfaxt=2FJ_BoXA at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> Let`s have a member`s call on the week of the 16th July to try and
>> >> inform properly of upcoming news and latest developments
>> >>
>> >> Provisional agenda:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rCw9naZvd0MstJSyBLtZgzYNveXlB7Roj-OEQAIMDa4/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>
>> >> Maryam can you please send a poll to NCUC-Discuss to find a time on
>> >> the week of the 16th?
>> >> Times should be Mon - Thu - 13UTC 17UTC or 20UTC
>> >> We may do 2 similar if we have enough responses for different times
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 3
>> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:27:01 -0400
>> >> From: Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com>
>> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> Cc: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] NCUC Members call week of 16 July - Agenda and
>> >> doodle poll request
>> >> Message-ID:
>> >>
>> >> <CAHFwYbeGYURU6QUao9vM7zt0heoHk3c_hYMThC1hxE0wvJYxDw at mail.gmail.com>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >>
>> >> Thanks Renata, can’t seem to be able to open the google doc! Any chance
>> >> the
>> >> link might be broken?
>> >>
>> >> E.
>> >> —
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:48 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi
>> >> >
>> >> > Let`s have a member`s call on the week of the 16th July to try and
>> >> > inform properly of upcoming news and latest developments
>> >> >
>> >> > Provisional agenda:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rCw9naZvd0MstJSyBLtZgzYNveXlB7Roj-OEQAIMDa4/edit?usp=sharing
>> >> >
>> >> > Maryam can you please send a poll to NCUC-Discuss to find a time on
>> >> > the week of the 16th?
>> >> > Times should be Mon - Thu - 13UTC 17UTC or 20UTC
>> >> > We may do 2 similar if we have enough responses for different times
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> > https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
>> >> >
>> >> --
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>> >>
>> >> Elsa Saade
>> >> Consultant
>> >> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>> >> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
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>> >>
>> >> Message: 4
>> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:29:29 -0400
>> >> From: Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com>
>> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> Cc: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>, Maryam Bakoshi
>> >> <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Call for appointments for PC NCUC - please
>> >> review by 10 July
>> >> Message-ID:
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>> >> <CAHFwYbcKrW0gcxF8+kD9wK_5Vdj2WVdEOwKVsh__tJd0DX+wrA at mail.gmail.com>
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>> >>
>> >> Hey Renata,
>> >>
>> >> Very valid questions as we should be careful with the operating
>> >> procedures
>> >> we apply. I’ll be waiting for Maryam’s reply, and maybe some advice
>> >> from
>> >> Farzi and Rafik on this one.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Elsa
>> >> —
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:23 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi all
>> >> >
>> >> > This is the draft of the call for PC NCUC
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rVg0hPQsS9fNfdnNvNCoiLVZm82inH-b9SUIL0KFTvY/edit?usp=sharing
>> >> >
>> >> > Maryam, can you please check it too
>> >> >
>> >> > A few doubts:
>> >> >
>> >> > - The members of GNSO Council have seats on this safeguarded by the
>> >> > bylaws. Is it their obligation or do they need to confirm they want
>> >> > to
>> >> > be a part of this?
>> >> >
>> >> > - EC has to elect Chair and Vice-chair of the PC NCUC, I assume they
>> >> > can be out of the safeguarded seats too right?
>> >> >
>> >> > - Chairs of PC NCSG and NCSG are not referred in the bylaws as part
>> >> > of
>> >> > PC NCUC however I`d take it they have to be included and consulted on
>> >> > approval of the call as GNSO Council members are under their purview?
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, let me know if I missed anything
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > NCUC-EC mailing list
>> >> > NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
>> >> > https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
>> >> >
>> >> --
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Elsa Saade
>> >> Consultant
>> >> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>> >> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
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>> >> Message: 5
>> >> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 18:21:29 +0900
>> >> From: Mike <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
>> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> Cc: Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com>, "Exec. Comm"
>> >> <ncuc-ec at lists.ncuc.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] debriefing notes
>> >> Message-ID: <1200B345-004C-41EC-99C1-E79674132FD7 at gmail.com>
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>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I plan on applying for ICANN63, just have to clear a couple if things
>> >> this
>> >> week first.
>> >>
>> >> Michael
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> > On Jul 3, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> > <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, per travel policy each funded traveler has to write a report
>> >> > Since this time you were funded by NCSG that is w them
>> >> >
>> >> > For ICANN63 slots we had no EC candidates
>> >> >
>> >> > Should EC wish to apply please get that in order
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > Em seg, 2 de jul de 2018 21:13, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com>
>> >> > escreveu:
>> >> >> Thanks Renata! I just added a small comment on the report point to
>> >> >> add
>> >> >> an action item! Would be happy to help write a report in the next
>> >> >> week or
>> >> >> two.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Elsa
>> >> >> —
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 1:05 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> Thank you, Renata! Should we push the idea of the series of post
>> >> >>> from
>> >> >>> EC members about this past meeting ? Each of us could focus on a
>> >> >>> theme/track.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> cheers,
>> >> >>> B.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 2018-07-02 9:58 GMT-03:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> >>> <raquino at gmail.com>:
>> >> >>>> Hi
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Please find here our debriefing ICANN62 meeting notes
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hj4uIwKTjFuCnYMAL4db7jewVa8-njegLj43iexPUwg/edit?usp=sharing
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Best,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Renata
>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>> NCUC-EC mailing list
>> >> >>>> NCUC-EC at lists.ncuc.org
>> >> >>>> https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> >>> @boomartins
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>> >> >> Elsa Saade
>> >> >> Consultant
>> >> >> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>> >> >> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
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