[NCUC-EC] announcing ICANN63 travel slot?

[Renata Aquino Ribeiro]

Hi Michael and EC

Yes, we have had 2 abstentions and 1 mention of Ben

If we don't give CROP now, we likely won't give it anymore, I have
made that very clear

And I can even count my dozens of reminders to you asking you to cast
your votes, draw any plan for this.

As you didn't, passed the deadline, I had to do it.

And again, I am still waiting you drawing ideas for the 9000USD
website management fund we have to use (4k being already given to
NCSG)

Best,

Renata




On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Michael Karanicolas
<mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
> Renata... I really don't think you can do this.
>
> Dina has one vote for her. Ben has zero.
>
> And neither candidate has ANY votes for receiving CROP.
>
> This decision does not reflect the deliberations by the EC, as reflected on
> the lists - and is not consistent with our bylaws.
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:49 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear EC
>>
>> I am sorry but you missed the deadline for announcement for 2 days
>> already.
>> And yes, I did mention that we would very likely lose CROP ICANN63
>> date if we don't use, as the recent reminder of Ozan implies.
>>
>> We are already losing 9000USD on website management funding because
>> the EC did not come up with any contribution on this.
>> We discovered we had this funding in August and it is very likely the
>> new Chair may not be able to tap into it.
>> I haven't been able to address small suggestions to it.
>>
>> So we need to be more fiscally responsible to NCUC as well as
>> respecting our Operating Procedures.
>>
>> There is no time for  a call for ICANN63, we were questioned 2 days
>> ago, our staff is out until 10Sept.
>>
>> I understand the pressure on you but squandering funding is the worst
>> you can do.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Michael Karanicolas
>> <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I also don't understand this course of action. As I understand it, we
>> > were
>> > deliberating the travel slots - and all that remained was to decide
>> > between
>> > Ben or Dina. Nobody has suggested allocating the CROP and, as Bruna
>> > says, we
>> > haven't done a proper call.
>> >
>> > I would suggest the Chair hold back on this, and we ask the EC folks who
>> > voted for Ben OR Dina to just pick one or the other, with a deadline of
>> > COB
>> > today.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:29 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> > <raquino at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Bruna
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately I have time and time again given the EC the opportunity
>> >> to participate on the CROP Outreach Plan, on the deadline to ICANN63
>> >> and on the weighing in on solutions.
>> >> I'm sorry you oppose now but we are out of options
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Renata
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > We did not open a call for this one and it will raise questions in
>> >> > our
>> >> > membership as to why we gave it to Dina once this was never announced
>> >> > to
>> >> > the
>> >> > larger list. And also, I dont believe that there is such thing as an
>> >> > interpretation that if we dont use this crop NOW we are to lose,
>> >> > given
>> >> > that
>> >> > the three slots shall be used until the end of FY19.
>> >> >
>> >> > Em qua, 29 de ago de 2018 às 12:18, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> > <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dear Renata,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am sorry but I oppose this idea. We were not discussing CROP, we
>> >> >> were
>> >> >> discussing travel support.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Em qua, 29 de ago de 2018 às 12:17, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> >> <raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Dear all
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> We should have announced this on the 27aug
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> We also have the CROP ICANN63 slot to an EU NCUC member
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> We just received a reminder today to use it, at the risk of losing
>> >> >>> it
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I have read all the emails and I'll do the following
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Travel Support - 1st slot
>> >> >>> Shahul Hameed
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Travel Support - 2nd slot
>> >> >>> Benjamin Akinmoyeje
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> CROP ICANN63
>> >> >>> I'll work with Dina Thomas on a NCUC CROP outreach plan and send it
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> the EC and to the CROP staff.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Best,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Renata
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> > Dear All,
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I believe that according the advice provided by Farzi we still
>> >> >>> > have
>> >> >>> > this
>> >> >>> > year to decide whether or not we are using this support
>> >> >>> > exclusively
>> >> >>> > to
>> >> >>> > NCUC
>> >> >>> > members or if we are opening the selection to NPOC and NCSG as
>> >> >>> > well
>> >> >>> > -
>> >> >>> > as we
>> >> >>> > did in this one - but as this selection is still subjected to
>> >> >>> > NCUC
>> >> >>> > EC I
>> >> >>> > believe that we should continue to perform by selecting the
>> >> >>> > funded
>> >> >>> > members
>> >> >>> > based on the quality of their outreach plans and application
>> >> >>> > independently
>> >> >>> > of the approach we seek to follow - opening calls or using them
>> >> >>> > for
>> >> >>> > NCUC
>> >> >>> > only.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > In that sense, I am also between Dina and Ben.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Dina provided a good application and is also supported by NPOC
>> >> >>> > Leadership,
>> >> >>> > but I agree with Louise on the "her application might have
>> >> >>> > benefitted
>> >> >>> > from a
>> >> >>> > more concrete outline of how she has been working within PDPs -
>> >> >>> > or
>> >> >>> > tying PDP
>> >> >>> > experience as an observer with her policy writing". I very much
>> >> >>> > appreciate
>> >> >>> > Dina's efforts regarding the Policy writing ad-hoc group she
>> >> >>> > tried
>> >> >>> > to
>> >> >>> > assemble, but I did not see it moving forward (and am not
>> >> >>> > implying
>> >> >>> > it
>> >> >>> > is her
>> >> >>> > fault either).
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On the other hand, we have Ben who we approved on a previous call
>> >> >>> > and
>> >> >>> > due to
>> >> >>> > personal reasons was not able to attend the meeting. Ben is has
>> >> >>> > been
>> >> >>> > involved in the RDS and the RPMs working group and while we
>> >> >>> > thought
>> >> >>> > that the
>> >> >>> > Policy meeting would be a moment for him to make sense of what
>> >> >>> > has
>> >> >>> > been
>> >> >>> > discussed in the calls, he was not able to attend. If I am not
>> >> >>> > mistaken,
>> >> >>> > when we chatted about his situation in PR, and the idea of
>> >> >>> > re-considering
>> >> >>> > him for the subsequent call was at the table.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Given that I am very on the fence about the selection of the
>> >> >>> > second
>> >> >>> > candidate, and that the two candidates are from EU and AF, I
>> >> >>> > would
>> >> >>> > be
>> >> >>> > more
>> >> >>> > than happy to follow the advice from our EU and AF
>> >> >>> > representatives.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > And please, lets decide soon on this matter, the more we delay
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > decision
>> >> >>> > the harder it becomes to our funded members to find tickets
>> >> >>> > within
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > price
>> >> >>> > range. Barcelona is in less than two months!
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > best,
>> >> >>> > B.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Em ter, 28 de ago de 2018 às 10:15, Louise Marie Hurel
>> >> >>> > <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Dear all,
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> First, I'd like to kindly thank Joan for her inputs.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Second, I cast my first vote to Shahul. As my colleagues have
>> >> >>> >> already
>> >> >>> >> highlighted, he has been actively engaging in policy writing and
>> >> >>> >> shows
>> >> >>> >> promising development within our community -- he has shown
>> >> >>> >> consistent
>> >> >>> >> commitment and dedication. His application was clear, consistent
>> >> >>> >> and
>> >> >>> >> grounded. I think he would also benefit greatly from the
>> >> >>> >> opportunity
>> >> >>> >> to
>> >> >>> >> participate on-site and hopefully lay deeper grounds for further
>> >> >>> >> engagement
>> >> >>> >> within the NCUC.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Quite frankly, my second vote goes to either Benjamin or Dina.
>> >> >>> >> Let
>> >> >>> >> me
>> >> >>> >> take
>> >> >>> >> a few lines to explain why - given NPOC Chair's support for
>> >> >>> >> Dina. I
>> >> >>> >> have had
>> >> >>> >> the opportunity to work with her in the past two meetings at the
>> >> >>> >> onboarding
>> >> >>> >> program. She is committed and has engaged in drafting comments -
>> >> >>> >> a
>> >> >>> >> strong
>> >> >>> >> applicant. Although her application might have benefitted from a
>> >> >>> >> more
>> >> >>> >> concrete outline of how she has been working within PDPs - or
>> >> >>> >> tying
>> >> >>> >> PDP
>> >> >>> >> experience as an observer with her policy writing (a general way
>> >> >>> >> of
>> >> >>> >> gaining
>> >> >>> >> insights and perspectives from other stakeholder groups and/or
>> >> >>> >> maturity in
>> >> >>> >> navigating ICANN). On the other hand, I also think that we need
>> >> >>> >> to
>> >> >>> >> give
>> >> >>> >> space for new applicants, and that includes giving Ben an
>> >> >>> >> opportunity,
>> >> >>> >> as he
>> >> >>> >> has, unfortunately, not been able to attend the last meeting due
>> >> >>> >> to
>> >> >>> >> visa
>> >> >>> >> issues. He also submitted a good application, clearly
>> >> >>> >> demonstrating
>> >> >>> >> consistency in participating and following two PDPs and looking
>> >> >>> >> for
>> >> >>> >> mentorship. My only question here is that while he states that
>> >> >>> >> he
>> >> >>> >> would do
>> >> >>> >> his best to "keep along with the ICANN63 sessions especially
>> >> >>> >> those
>> >> >>> >> that
>> >> >>> >> concern the NCUC and NCSG" he didn't explain how the slot would
>> >> >>> >> also
>> >> >>> >> play
>> >> >>> >> into his volunteer work on NPOC's PC, in particular. I think
>> >> >>> >> that
>> >> >>> >> this
>> >> >>> >> might
>> >> >>> >> have been an opportunity for him to provide a more robust
>> >> >>> >> account
>> >> >>> >> of a
>> >> >>> >> grounded plan for engagement in this next meeting.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> As observed, I outlined both the pros and cons of their
>> >> >>> >> applications.
>> >> >>> >> I
>> >> >>> >> don't think there's a clear shot here and thus count on my peers
>> >> >>> >> to
>> >> >>> >> either
>> >> >>> >> provide further insights to their decision that might aid in the
>> >> >>> >> allocation
>> >> >>> >> of this slot or, rely on a majority of voters for one or the
>> >> >>> >> other.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Hope this provides a fair account of my decision.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Kind regards,
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Louise Marie Hurel
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Cybersecurity Project Coordinator | Igarapé Institute
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> London School of Economics (LSE) Media and Communications (Data
>> >> >>> >> and
>> >> >>> >> Society)
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Skype: louise.dias
>> >> >>> >> +44 (0) 7468 906327
>> >> >>> >> l.h.dias at lse.ac.uk
>> >> >>> >> louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 at 18:43, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> >>> >> <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> Thank you Joan for your clarification.
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Joan Kerr <joankerr at fbsc.org>
>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>> > Hi Renata, All
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > NPOC is supporting Dina for a number of reasons.  She has
>> >> >>> >>> > been
>> >> >>> >>> > working
>> >> >>> >>> > hard
>> >> >>> >>> > with the newly formed PC and has a lot of experience in
>> >> >>> >>> > policy
>> >> >>> >>> > and
>> >> >>> >>> > processes.  NPOC feels Dina is the right choice and will be
>> >> >>> >>> > instrumental in
>> >> >>> >>> > assisting with the policy going forward.
>> >> >>> >>> > Thanks,
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:23 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> >>> >>> > <raquino at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >>> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Joan
>> >> >>> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>> >> Please see inquiry from one of the NCUC EC reps.
>> >> >>> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>> >>> >> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>> >> > Dear all,
>> >> >>> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >> > My first vote went to Shahul, and as I am still to decide
>> >> >>> >>> >> > who
>> >> >>> >>> >> > will
>> >> >>> >>> >> > get
>> >> >>> >>> >> > the
>> >> >>> >>> >> > second slot Im more prone to vote either o Ben or Farell,
>> >> >>> >>> >> > who
>> >> >>> >>> >> > is
>> >> >>> >>> >> > also a
>> >> >>> >>> >> > NPOC
>> >> >>> >>> >> > member I believe.
>> >> >>> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >> > Renata, do you think that would be the case for asking
>> >> >>> >>> >> > Joan
>> >> >>> >>> >> > whether
>> >> >>> >>> >> > or
>> >> >>> >>> >> > not
>> >> >>> >>> >> > she'd recommend a second name since Remmy withdrew his
>> >> >>> >>> >> > candidacy
>> >> >>> >>> >> > ?
>> >> >>> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >> > best,
>> >> >>> >>> >> > B.
>> >> >>> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >> > Em dom, 26 de ago de 2018 às 21:59, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> >>> >>> >> > <raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
>> >> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >>> >> >> Dear EC
>> >> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >>> >> >> It is time to announce the ICANN63 travel slots.
>> >> >>> >>> >> >> Please decide soon.
>> >> >>> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >>> >> >> Thanks
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>> >> >>> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >> > --
>> >> >>> >>> >> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>> >> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >> >>> >>> >> > @boomartins
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > --
>> >> >>> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>> > Joan Kerr,
>> >> >>> >>> >
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>> >> >>> > --
>> >> >>> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>> >
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>> >> >>> > @boomartins
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> >> >>
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>> >> >> @boomartins
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