[NCUC-EC] South Africa project asking for support

Wed Oct 11 02:56:05 CEST 2017

Also section IV provides some provisions related to treasurer reporting
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https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf

Farzaneh

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> not sure if you are directing your response to me. for translation, I
> responded to Renata statement that we won't get translation support in
> future. with regard to your question if that will help them to contribute
> in NCUC and ICANN. I have mixed feelings about that.
>
>  for the financial situation, Milton as treasurer can respond to that. Our
> only source of funding is coming from PIR on yearly basis (I think that was
> indicated  in operating procedures?).
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2017-10-11 9:31 GMT+09:00 Michael Karanicolas <michael at law-democracy.org>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think the issue with translation issue isn't just about our materials
>> and such - it's about how IsiXhosa and IsiNdebele speakers are going
>> to contribute meaningfully to NCUC, or be a part of our eco-system
>> when we're not really equipped to support their engagement.
>>
>> I met Thato in Hyderabad as well as in Johannesburg - and he seems
>> very sharp, and I like the idea of supporting his work and of reaching
>> out to underserved language communities, but I'm really struggling
>> with slotting this as an outreach event when there's no
>> sustainability.
>>
>> Can we get a clearer picture of our financial situation, in terms of
>> where the funding would come from? Are we sitting on a source of money
>> that we're not utilizing, or is this part of a funds that's going to
>> get refreshed at the end of the year, or what's our situation?
>> Apologies for not knowing this myself, as I guess I should by this
>> point.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > if I can comment:
>> > - I think icannwiki is a not just platform but organization which is
>> getting
>> > funding from several sources already.
>> > - with regard to translation, we did get that before when we made a
>> request
>> > to translation team in ICANN. we could translate our flyers to Hindi,
>> Urdu
>> > for Hyderabad meeting in addition to translation to UN languages.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Rafik
>> >
>> >
>> > 2017-10-10 22:43 GMT+09:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Hi
>> >>
>> >> Yes, the logo would be there
>> >>
>> >> I will explain a bit more what this project is because I guess it isn't
>> >> clear
>> >>
>> >> 1) Group convenes and discusses how ICANN works and what are possible
>> >> words that they could study, describe which would help them understand
>> >> PDPs - or words someone asked them to describe
>> >> (This is where I asked them to describe better NCUC, GDPR, RDS, RPM
>> etc)
>> >>
>> >> 2) Group studies and describes these terms. Outcomes are registered in
>> >> www.icannwiki.org
>> >>
>> >> 3) New round of studying and describing and translation to local
>> languages
>> >>
>> >> ICANNWiki is an independent platform
>> >>
>> >> NCUC will receive a report to be published as post
>> >>
>> >> We can be very confident that NCUC will not have support for
>> >> multilingual content anytime soon and there won't be follow up
>> >> requests on multilingual support to NCUC esp. indigenous languages.
>> >>
>> >> This is an effort independently lead by local language advocates in
>> >> sectors of ICANNWiki platform only
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Renata
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Tatiana Tropina
>> >> <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > All,
>> >> > I agree with Michael.
>> >> > Could the proposal be tweaked to be more obviously beneficial for
>> NCUC?
>> >> > Can we use our logo at the event to advertise us or something?
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> > Tanya
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue 10. Oct 2017 at 13:42, Michael Karanicolas
>> >> > <michael at law-democracy.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks very much for sending that along. It seems like an unusual
>> fit
>> >> >> to me, to be an outreach event, and a bit of a departure from what
>> we
>> >> >> do normally. Obviously we want to bring in people from under-served
>> >> >> communities, and I think we all recognize that language is a huge
>> >> >> challenge, but I'm not sure that NCUC has the follow through to
>> >> >> capitalize on this. So - the material is translated into IsiXhosa
>> and
>> >> >> IsiNdebele - then what? There's still no platform for the recipients
>> >> >> to engage with NCUC, since we don't have ongoing support for those
>> >> >> languages, and we are unlikely to have it in the near term - so
>> where
>> >> >> does this lead? Am I missing something?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That said - I guess it would ultimately depend on our budget
>> >> >> situation. Do we work on a calendar year and, if so, do we have
>> funds
>> >> >> that are going to expire relatively soon if they're not used?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Michael
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> >> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Hi
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The outreach in Johannesburg was mainly organized voluntarily by
>> >> >> > Thato
>> >> >> > Mfikwe and now he is asking for a small amount of support for
>> >> >> > outreach
>> >> >> > and capacity building (USD 300, minimal is actually USD 500)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On our procedures document there is a description of a process for
>> >> >> > this type of support
>> >> >> > See section VI
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operati
>> ng-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > There were outreach events funded by NCUC before and reports are
>> >> >> > published on NCUC blog periodically
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Best,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Renata
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Michael Karanicolas
>> >> >> > <michael at law-democracy.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >> We're not a granting organization... are we?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Forgive me, as I'm new(ish) on the EC. Is there precedent to fund
>> >> >> >> these kinds of projects?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Michael
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> >> >> >> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> Dear EC
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> I am forwarding you an email by Thato Mfikwe from South Africa
>> >> >> >>> asking
>> >> >> >>> for support for a local project.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Basically they will do a day marathon of writing about internet
>> >> >> >>> policy
>> >> >> >>> terms learned after ICANN59. In English and in local languages.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> The project already has support from ICANNwiki and ISOC Gauteng
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Given ISOC Gauteng partnered w/ NCUC for the event in
>> Johannesburg
>> >> >> >>> it
>> >> >> >>> would be great if NCUC could sponsor the event too
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Even with a minimal amount (USD300), this partnership can be
>> >> >> >>> consolidated and we can ask for the program to cover writing
>> about
>> >> >> >>> terms which are en vogue in NCUC policymaking efforts
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Deadline for this is (was) 10th Oct so please express your
>> support
>> >> >> >>> as
>> >> >> >>> soon as possible
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Thank you
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> >> >>> From: Thato Mfikwe <mfikwentjatje at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:23 AM
>> >> >> >>> Subject: ISOC Gauteng Project proposal (Content development and
>> >> >> >>> translation
>> >> >> >>> To: raquino at gmail.com
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Hi Renata,
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Please find the attached proposal regarding the project we
>> running
>> >> >> >>> in
>> >> >> >>> Mpumalanga and Eastern Cape rural areas of South Africa, I hope
>> you
>> >> >> >>> find all in order. Should you require that we amend our
>> proposal to
>> >> >> >>> meet available funding and support criterias, please let us
>> know.
>> >> >> >>> Apologies in the delay, we only have 2 weeks before
>> implemetation
>> >> >> >>> of
>> >> >> >>> the 1st phase of the project, thuis a prompt response is
>> required
>> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >> >>> speed up this process.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> We thought the project of this natture would be of interest to
>> >> >> >>> players
>> >> >> >>> in the IG space, since we need allthe help we can obtain to
>> make it
>> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> >>> success and please feel free to forward to relevant
>> organisations
>> >> >> >>> who
>> >> >> >>> might find an interest in working with us on this exciting
>> project.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> We will provide sponsors with proof of expenses on a monthly
>> basis
>> >> >> >>> and
>> >> >> >>> ZACR has commited to the project in terms of human capital and
>> >> >> >>> funding
>> >> >> >>> that is yet to be finalised by end of this month. Should you
>> need
>> >> >> >>> more
>> >> >> >>> information or set up an appointment around this project,
>> please do
>> >> >> >>> not hesitate to contact us, thanks.
>> >> >> >>>
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