[NCUC-EC] NCUC Community Travel response

Mon Nov 20 15:19:36 CET 2017

Farzi,

Thanks for weighting in, but I don't see us treating the fellowship program
as an entity, only as a entrance facilitator (as it was for me).
At the same time, I share the vast majority of the criticism regarding the
program such as  - (a) some of the fellows/nextgenners are far more
involved with their programs itself than with the community; (b) the lack
of engagement; (c)  the tendency of becoming a community of its own and (d)
the need for more objective means of evaluating returning fellows,
nexgenners and onboarders in general.

But as Elsa pointed out, the statement is not quite precise, we have NCUC
members who are part of the fellowship program/selection committee/coach
community and we might also be the ones to charge regarding the lack of
communication with NCUC.

Having said that, I would like to propose things instead: maybe point out
the lack of communication, and how we would feel less reluctant regarding
the program If it consulted with the SO/ACs whether the selected
fellows/nextgenners were in fact members of the communities or either
cutting the number of participants...

2017-11-20 12:01 GMT-02:00 Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com>:

> Hey Farzi,
>
> Thanks for this! Surely by entity I did not mean a community of its own,
> only a program which is somehow a facilitator to the ICANN community in a
> way for so many. I definitely agree that it should go through a review
> however stating that:
>
> "The value and effectiveness of these programs in their current state
> are, however, uncertain. There are no KPIs or any other forms of assessment
> considering how active those sponsored as fellows - especially returning
> fellows -  are in policy making and other community processes."
>
> is not quite amicable or precise. I think several changes were made to the
> statement too so that it's less offensive in a way. Fellows need to report
> their engagement post fellowship as most of us know for instance.
>
> I think the SO/AC review part makes complete sense, and highlighting the
> need to restudy the travel fund allocation is also necessary. But it
> shouldn't be written in an offensive and degrading manner. I'm speaking not
> as a previous fellow but as an objective observer of the document as a
> whole. I'm more than ready to contribute to restudying the programs that
> allocate funds, and support the mentioning of this in the document, just
> more carefully written in a way that would not backfire at NCUC.
>
> Best,
>
> Elsa
> --
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 3:50 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Observer here, I have to say fellowship is a program not an entity. To
>> make it an entity was the wrong approach. Fellows need to work within the
>> community, not to create a community of their own. Being in leadership
>> position does not prove success. Working meaningfully in PDPs getting
>> involved with drafting comments and understanding DNS issues and trying to
>> solve them at ICANN shows success in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I was
>> a fellow and have nothing against the program, but there are concerns with
>> some of its  aspects which the insider fellows don't see but the broader
>> community certainly does. For example sometimes fellows who are ncuc
>> members get funded to attend while they have not done much at ncuc or are
>> not required to do so.The program has become bigger than it was 4 years ago
>> so there has to be some changes. It  is a program to help this community
>> not to create a community of its own.  But I understand if you don't want
>> to say anything about it, note that the travel questionnaire scope is
>> pretty wide and answers can touch upon programs that involve traveling.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 7:51 AM hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Absolutely
>>>
>>> Also myself and Renata were Fellows so 4 out of the 6 NCUC Leadership
>>> team in total and in many other positions within ICANN constituencies.
>>> Currently there s even a Board member who is a Fellow.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2017 13:17, "Elsa S" <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey team,
>>>>
>>>> I might be too late for this, but I did not have a stable internet
>>>> connection till today. I've added some comments and some suggestions to the
>>>> doc.
>>>>
>>>> Generally, I think we should be careful with our words when we talk
>>>> about a certain entity such as the fellowship program! I do agree that
>>>> there should be a review of how it works but hinting the need for its
>>>> discontinuation until that review happens, is a bit extreme as for
>>>> instance, Bruna and I were fellows and if it weren't for the fellowship we
>>>> wouldn't have been able to be here.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Elsa
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:43 AM, hfaiedh ines <hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw that part crossed so I didn't want to comment on it more because
>>>>> I am in agreement with Michael.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those seats should be requested only for people who do have real
>>>>> physical issues especially related to blood pressure, Diabetes (making
>>>>> blood flow to feet difficult), any physical impairment/issue which a doctor
>>>>> says requires a more comfortable seating etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 12 hour arrival prior to business day in the meeting makes sense
>>>>> and I support it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 23:39, "Bruna Martins dos Santos" <
>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, doesn't sound quite coherent to call out the Fellowship Program
>>>>>> for its i*nflating costs, increasing scale and unclear benefits,
>>>>>> there is definitely a need for the reassessment of these programs in order
>>>>>> to increase their effectiveness* and to defend premium seats at the
>>>>>> same time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-11-19 20:37 GMT-02:00 Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just gave the document a read and I also agree with Michael's
>>>>>>> position, allowing ourselves to support the 'premium seats' doesn't
>>>>>>> sound nice. Apart from the medical/age cases, supporting the idea of flying
>>>>>>> community members on 1st class based on the fact that the flights are long
>>>>>>> or the connections are hard when the price of one of those seats could
>>>>>>> normally fly 2 to 3 ppl just doesn't sound right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can agree with the arrival requirement being set for 12h before
>>>>>>> the business day, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-11-19 18:06 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone who addedd comments, very helpful
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FYI NCSG PC has already submitted their final response
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's here
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVq
>>>>>>>> Dl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to finalize ours soon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Renata
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Louise Marie Hurel
>>>>>>>> <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Added a couple of comments and suggestions.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Cheers,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Louise Marie Hurel
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Cybersecurity Project Coordinator | Igarapé Institute
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > London School of Economics (LSE) Media and Communications (Data
>>>>>>>> and Society)
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Skype: louise.dias
>>>>>>>> > +44 (0) 7468 906327
>>>>>>>> > l.h.dias at lse.ac.uk
>>>>>>>> > louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 2017-11-18 5:16 GMT+05:30 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>>>>>>>> raquino at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Just letting you know we have until next week to send it, 24th
>>>>>>>> Nov.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> So more can chime in.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:52 PM, hfaiedh ines <
>>>>>>>> hfaiedh.ines2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > I have added my edits as well.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > On Nov 17, 2017 20:14, "Michael Karanicolas" <
>>>>>>>> michael at law-democracy.org>
>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Hi,
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> I've amended to edit out the discussion of premium seats, as
>>>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>>>> >> >> think it's a good position to take.
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e1RmaaCV0_fHLUHcz6GlCX21
>>>>>>>> zVljTMGqX1Uz-tL6HWI/edit
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Michael
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>>>>>> >> >> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >> > Thank you, Renata! I will take a look!
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> > 2017-11-17 12:50 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
>>>>>>>> raquino at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Dear EC,
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> We have to send a response to the Community Travel
>>>>>>>> questionnaire
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> until
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Monday 19th
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Please send your inputs in this doc
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/docume
>>>>>>>> nt/d/1e1RmaaCV0_fHLUHcz6GlCX21zVljTMGqX1Uz-tL6HWI/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Apologies on the short deadline
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Best
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Renata
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>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> > --
>>>>>>>> >> >> > Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> > +55 61 99252-6512
>>>>>>>> >> >> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>>>>>> >> >> > @boomartins
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
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>>>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +55 61 99252-6512 <+55%2061%2099252-6512>
>>>>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>>>>> @boomartins
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +55 61 99252-6512 <+55%2061%2099252-6512>
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>>>>>> @boomartins
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>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>> Human Rights Officer
>>>> Gulf Center for Human Rights
>>>> Beirut, Lebanon
>>>>
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> Elsa Saade
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