[NCUC-EC] FW: NCSG - NCUC - Supporting the civil society day at IGF

[Mueller, Milton L]

This was intended to convey my approval for the expenditure but I did not use reply-all by mistake
--MM

From: Mueller, Milton L
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 11:19 AM
To: 'farzaneh badii' <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: NCSG - NCUC - Supporting the civil society day at IGF

If you think you can play the major role by contributing only $500, do so, but otherwise I am willing to go up to $1000 if you think we need to.

MM

From: farzaneh badii [mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 11:17 AM
To: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu<mailto:milton at gatech.edu>>
Cc: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: NCSG - NCUC - Supporting the civil society day at IGF

For the members who are inactive, they mainly don't know what NCUC does and think that we are just a bunch of email senders. So we can show them that we sponsor things and are active in other spaces other than ICANN too. That's what I had in mind. Might be a weak argument. ( and I hope we don't get thousands of requests for funding later on)

Rafik idea is good to talk to JJS and Adam and see whether they want to support it. I also think it will look quite good and show our independence if we do this as NCUC sponsorship. We have been concerned that people don't distinguish between ICANN as corporation and NCUC, so I think it might signal independence.

If 1000 is too much, we can offer 500 USD?

Let me know if you are convinced and how much you think is best to ask for, I can send the request to EC for support. I will also put the justifications in there.

Best

Farzaneh



On 11 July 2016 at 16:44, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu<mailto:milton at gatech.edu>> wrote:


I have this idea that supporting it might get our name out, give us more prominence during the event and give people the impression that we are a functional constituency.

MM: This might happen

I have in mind that it might get our members who are not involved more involved

MM: I don’t see how. We spend money, our members get more involved? (???)

and we might get more members.

MM: possibly, as a function of the first benefit (prominence)

On the whole I would say if we think the first benefit is sufficient I would support doing it.

I am being too positive about this so you might want to wake me up :)

On 11 July 2016 at 16:31, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu<mailto:milton at gatech.edu>> wrote:
Mainly what I am asking is whether the event really needs $1000 from us to succeed. What will happen if we don’t contribute?

From: farzaneh badii [mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com<mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 1:42 AM
To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>

Cc: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu<mailto:milton at gatech.edu>>
Subject: Re: NCSG - NCUC - Supporting the civil society day at IGF

Hi

Thank you for your replies. So are you saying I shall look for other sources of funding? Or do you need more justification as to whether this builds and strengthens NCUC? If it's the latter, then I appreciate a couple of pointers to what strengthens NCUC so that I can write a justification or discard the idea.

Best

Farzaneh

On 11 July 2016 at 04:38, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Milton,

2016-07-11 10:27 GMT+09:00 Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu<mailto:milton at gatech.edu>>:
I think the critical issue is whether civil society day needs our support to happen, or not. What will this $1000 add?

good question, based on previous events I guess that is for meeting room in some hotel etc, usually for accommodation etc Bestbits tended to ask google....
 suporting this is good to not leave space to justnet like, while they will be there for sure.

If you are on the organizing committee, Farz, then you are already donating NCUC resources – our most valuable resource – to the event. So it is not like we are not helping. EFF has a $3-4 million budget so a $5k donation from them, to be proportionate to NCUC, would be more like $50 ;-) but that is just a joke don’t take it too seriously.

We might also consider approaching ISOC or some other moneyed interest to ask them to give us $$ to help with this.

ICANN too, getting JJS and Adam  to do CS support , maybe PIR (taking in account Sunil comments in twitter :p) .

I am not very concerned whether this type of support is new or not. It is similar to our policy forums in some ways. I think we can put money into whatever we think builds and strengthens NCUC.

we should get back to our policy forum, unfortunately  the special financial request as not approved, maybe something to plan for next year for Johansburg  meeting.
yes we are in same page: whatevern build and strengthen NCUC.

Rafik

From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2016 7:42 PM
To: Farzaneh Badiei <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com<mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>
Cc: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu<mailto:milton at gatech.edu>>
Subject: Re: NCSG - NCUC - Supporting the civil society day at IGF

Hi Farzaneh,

thanks for the notice.
I don't recall case where NCUC supported something outside travel policy or outreach-like thing(dinner, Helsinki-like etc). I think NCUC supported African IG summer school for some event which was just before durban meeting but I am not sure, maybe Milton can confirm . I think we tended to be cautious to avoid getting many requests and that happened already. maybe something to work on , in term of guidelines and more generally on what NCUC (and probably NCSG) can endorse and support outside the ICANN narrow remit and also liasing with other groups.

back to this specific request, I would see as not an expensive demand (having in mind that we aved Sana travel support since she got ICANN nexgen anbassador slot) and hopefully if we can optimize this in relation to our workshop(s) and outreach efforts for IGF. definitely it should be clearly advertised as NCUC support.
not sure whom you mean that will us to promote NCSG? you mean NCSG EC?

to conclude:
- fine with this one-time support for civil society day
- advertising as NCUC support, and explaining the rationale of such support to membership
- clearly indicate again that is one-time support and that we should work on some guidelines on how to deal with similar requests.

Best,

Rafik

2016-07-10 21:54 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com<mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>:
Dear Both,

As you might know, NCSG EC has appointed me as the NCSG rep to organize the civil society day which usually takes place before IGF. Civil Society day was held before by Best Bits, but now they are collaborating with other civil society organizations to organize it.

We are now at the organizing stage, finding a hotel, etc. EFF is going to sponsor half the total amount (which might be around 5000 USD but they are looking for cheaper options). I wanted to know if you think it's a good idea for NCUC to support the Civil Society day for 1000 USD? It can be less than that too. As I am a part of the organizing group, I will make sure that NCUC will receive acknowledgment for this support, and we will be given some time to do outreach and give a pitch about NCUC.

I am an NCSG rep so they might ask us  to promote NCSG. I don't know if that is a big problem or not. If it is we can just disagree and say it is NCUC money.

Let me know what you think. If you are positive about it, I will, later on, send it to EC for approval.

Best

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